BLAVATSKY ON DUGPAS INVERSION – INVERSED

courtesy of Mdm Balavatky.

BLAVATSKY’S INVERSION.

*On the astral and psychic planes the Masters are always stronger than the Dugpas, because there, good is stronger than evil. But on our material plane, evil is stronger than good, and the Adepts having to exercise cunning if acting on this plane, (which is contrary to their natures) encounter great difficulty and can only palliate evil effects. In powers not good there is an absence of good, but not presence of evil, and the higher you go, the more does evil become the absence of good. The first exercise of Dugpaship is to psychologize people. Every man has a potential Dugpa in him.

When the 6th Race reaches its close, there will be no more Dugpas. A Dugpa may become converted during life, at the expense of terrible suffering and trials. Dugpas are usually destroyed by Kundalini, the astral fire. They consume themselves. The Dugpa is forced to his own destruction. He becomes fascinated, runs into the evil current and so destroys himself.

The beasts of Dugpas have nothing but the animal in them, and even when they awaken the highest spirituality in them, it is the spirituality of the beast where there is nothing but vile, selfish instinct. On earth there is no evil power higher than the Dugpas.
They cannot when seen psychically conceal the presence of red about them. It is always visible in their aura. The color is deep crimson red. The sign of the presence of a Dugpa is a cold, clammy, empty, snaky feeling. Do not mistake the above for another feeling, viz., when chelas materialize they create a vacuum around them, which feels to us like a change of atmosphere, like being suddenly removed to a high plateau in Thibet. (The one a dry cold like high atmosphere, the other clammy)”

http://blavatskyarchives.com/koothoomicommentaries.htm

BLAVATSKY’S INVERSION, INVERSED

In metaphysics and new age thinking, it is taught that all things are connected, why then, in this statement from Blavatsky, is the astral and material treated as something that is separate? Is it not all connected? Here Blavatsky states the the masters have power in the astral etc, but not the material?

Then maybe, they are not masters.

Some people talk about and claim that it is the entities that dwell in the astral for example that have all of this power, control over the material. Over humans and the planet.

So what are the masters (that are only masters in the astral according to Blavatsky) really achieving if it is true that this earth is under control of astral entities ?

Blavatsky is claiming that masters have control in the astral.

Therefore, the “masters” that Blavatsky claims are all powerful in the astral, are, (if it is all connected per metaphysics, quantum physics etc.. and per the self proclaimed enlightened individuals), the same entities that are supposedly in control of humans?

Does Blavatsky align with the masters, who she claims are in control of the astral? Who by all accounts, per the enlightened ones, are the ones that are taking care of business and running the show in this realm..

OR does she align herself with the Dugpas, and say, “look over there..madest thou look, so ends the trick?”

Dugpas are eventually destroyed by the Kundalini, the astral fire… and consumed by the evil current.

So, the enlightened ones, the ones that have so called dominion on the material, the false teachers, charlatans, false leaders, liars, double talkers, hypnotizer’s, seducers, sorcerers…the false light….

illumination

Is it the false light, that will consume itself, in time…please. In your own time of course. Plenty of that seeing as that time is an illusion.

Or is it the illusion that is running out of time?

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32 thoughts on “BLAVATSKY ON DUGPAS INVERSION – INVERSED

  1. The masters don’t interfere with karma on this plane. This is stated over and over in Theosophical literature. Real Spiritual teachers (or masters) are more concerned with Universal matters and don’t engage in altering others personal karma. Not enough time. They stress the importance of Self reliance and responsibility, and trusting the inner divinity – the real christ – and not the power of teachers or temples made by man. Nature is the real teacher – cosmic Nature – which includes all planes, physical, astral, and others. There is nothing mystical or magical about the astral plane. It is simply the emotional realm-plane, where most people spend most of their time. Thinking about all their unfullfilled desires. What they want, and don’t want, and how this will make them FEEL. That’s all there is to the astral plane, really. Dreams and desires. The spiritual masters are supposed to have gained mastery over their astral (emotional) form. So they have control over it, and are not controlled by it, like the bulk of humanity – including me.
    There is a lot of deception out there, though.

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  2. Hi Mikee.

    If the masters do not interfere with others personal karma, because there is not enough time, they cannot be masters, as this would render them bound by time.

    If the masters stress self reliance and responsibility, and not the power of teachers and temples, why then would the masters have people look to them, instead of directing them to Christ in the first place?

    These masters always tend to “contact” someone, or “appear” to someone, to relay this kind of message, Would you consider that interference?

    Alice Bailey is one of these kinds of messengers, yet her old stomping grounds in Pacific Grove are a monarch programming center. A lnew world religion enlightenment center.

    https://dugpasandtheirrole.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/amongst-other-things-alice-bailey-load-of-bollox-says-david-icke/

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    • ‘If the masters do not interfere with others personal karma, because there is not enough time, they cannot be masters, as this would render them bound by time.’

      It is the normal, average people who are bound by time. They (mahatmas) are already in the universal consciousness, and so exist in the eternal, or ‘eternal now’, which is the timeless. People have to come to that same realization themselves. Teachers only point the way. They say, “here, this is the path I took to this understanding-realization of eternity and the boundless. If you wish the same, study and meditate what I have discovered; it might help.”

      ‘If the masters stress self reliance and responsibility, and not the power of teachers and temples, why then would the masters have people look to them, instead of directing them to Christ in the first place?’

      In the case of Theosophy, that’s exactly what they did through the teachings – direct them to the realization of their own Christ consciousness – the eternal I AM. Completely impersonal. And to my knowledge, no one knows who these teachers of Theosophy (or Mahatmas) are-were, except perhaps the original leaders of the movement. After Blavatsky died, there were those in Theosophy who claimed they were in direct contact with the same teachers, such as Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater, and later on Alice Bailey, who completely distorted and changed the original writings of Blavatsky. I was involved with the Alice Bailey movement for awhile in the mid-90’s, while also studying Theosophy. I only found out recently that Alice Bailey started her own movement because the Theosophists during her time didn’t believe she was in direct contact with Blavatsky’s teachers, because she proclaimed ideas that were completely at variance with some of the main theosophical tenets. Bailey’s ideas (including Besant’s and Leadbeater’s) became known as Neo-Theosophy, or pseudo Theosophy.

      You might want to google Theosophy vs. Neo-Theosophy, or pseudo-Theosophy. There is a lot of information to be found. It’s also noticeable that Bailey, Besant and Leadbeater were all heavily involved in Christianity before getting involved with Theosophy, and it’s pretty obvious that they were trying to infuse their Christian beliefs into the Theosophical teachings. One belief was that a new Christ teacher would come to usher in this new age – something that was never in the Blavatsky literature. Someone has suggested to me that they must have had some contact with the Jesuits (they may have actually been agents of the Jesuits, to spread disinformation).

      When you look into the new age movement, and the one world religion, you are really looking at the influence that Bailey, Besant and Leadbeater have had, and not genuine Theosophy, which has no interest in starting a new religion, and is stated many times in Blavatsky’s writings, from herself and the ones she claimed contact with. In fact, the whole idea is for each person to be their own priest – their own Christos, god conscious individual – and to realize we are all brothers and sisters in spirit. Those that you call the dugpas are the ones who take knowledge and use it selfishly and destructively, and consciously engage in evil. Knowledge itself is neutral – it is the way it is used that makes it good or evil, from the human perspective. Someone who acts selflessly is a true Theosophist (which simply means someone who follows divine wisdom). Those looking for personal or political power are not. You probably know that the Alice Bailey group has their own area at the United Nations building; not sure if it’s in New York or England. That might be a red flag that something’s up. I don’t know.

      ‘These masters always tend to “contact” someone, or “appear” to someone, to relay this kind of message, Would you consider that interference?’

      I don’t believe Blavatsky’s consciousness was interfered with. I believe she had a strong desire since she was young to seek out deeper knowledge, and at a certain point these teachers made contact with her; not against her will in any way. She was already known to be psychically sensitive when she was young. That’s my understanding; I don’t know if it’s a fact. But her inquisitiveness led her all over the world. She spent a lot of time in Egypt studying with teachers of Hermetic philosophy, which is probably closest to the Eastern mystical philosophy of Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism. “They” won’t impose their will on anyone. It’s probably more correct to say as they do in the East: “when the student is ready, the teacher appears.” No amount of prayer or pleading or begging will bring them to the person desiring contact. Only when the person is psychically and spiritually ready. So no, I don’t think they interfere with another’s consciousness against their will, as that is what interfere implies.

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  3. “When you look into the new age movement, and the one world religion, you are really looking at the influence that Bailey, Besant and Leadbeater have had, and not genuine Theosophy, which has no interest in starting a new religion, and is stated many times in Blavatsky’s writings, from herself and the ones she claimed contact with.”

    You could also say that Bailey, Besant and Leadbetter diluted Christianity on behalf of those who want a nwr as much as Blavatsky diluted those who would call themselves Theosopists for the same purpose.

    “Those that you call the dugpas are the ones who take knowledge and use it selfishly and destructively, and consciously engage in evil. Knowledge itself is neutral – it is the way it is used that makes it good or evil, from the human perspective. Someone who acts selflessly is a true Theosophist (which simply means someone who follows divine wisdom)”

    Proponents of a nwr and nwo system work towards everything to be neutral. no thought, no emotion, pure acceptance of everything. To kill the emotions, and creativity, in order to create the perfect mind controlled slave. The masters that Blavatsky claimed to be in contact with were flatliners.

    There is nothing wrong with emotion. There is something wrong, with having no emotion at all.

    Knowledge is not neutral, it can and does consume people, and it is used against people to the point of becoming non human. The anti Christ.

    “I don’t believe Blavatsky’s consciousness was interfered with. I believe she had a strong desire since she was young to seek out deeper knowledge, and at a certain point these teachers made contact with her; not against her will in any way. She was already known to be psychically sensitive when she was youngThat’s my understanding; I don’t know if it’s a fact. But her inquisitiveness led her all over the world ‘.

    These masters who have all of this knowledge, did not need to travel all over the world to find their knowledge and mastery, so why did Blavatsky have to ? If the knowledge that you speak of is found within, why the need to travel the world and cough up for air fare?

    “They” won’t impose their will on anyone. It’s probably more correct to say as they do in the East: “when the student is ready, the teacher appears”.

    There are so many new age teachers and gurus out there, who see themselves and label themselves, and allow themselves to be labelled as masters, laying in wait, for the next student.

    It is a very slippery slope that will keep a person on the look out, waiting, for the next master or teacher who has more knowledge than they do. To give them more knowledge, which in turn ends up making them less human in the long run.

    You cannot serve two masters. If you think that Blavatsky was some kind of intermediary for some invisible masters that only show themselves to those who they deem approved, you are serving two masters. I use the term masters in Blavatsky’s case, lightly.

    Jesus Christ

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  4. Actually, the serving of two masters has had a different meaning in spiritual teachings. The two masters are spiritual knowledge, which leads to liberation, and materialism – or mammon – which leads to attachment, unfulfilled desires, and illusion. That’s the double edge sword of knowledge that I mentioned. Everyone has to make the choice of what they will do with the knowledge. For purely selfish reasons, or to help liberate and bring joy to others. It’s not an easy choice to make. Especially in a “me, me, me” society.

    I take it Jesus – the Christ or anointed one – is your master.

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  5. Hi Mikee. When I said no one can serve two masters, (I understand the other meaning) I was speaking in terms of Blavatsky, who claimed to have had interactions with several, not including Olcott.

    What you say about choosing what to do with knowledge is true, having the ability to decipher where the knowledge comes from is a different kettle of fish.

    Do Blavatsky’s writings liberate others? Or do her teachings trap people into a never ending wait for them to “arrive”. She obviously thought that she had “arrived” with her contact with the various masters that she wrote about. Who, as you mention have bigger things to do, as in sort the universe out, yet took the time to pay her a visit (as well as Besant).

    Blavatsky stated that there is no religion higher than truth.

    Getting to that truth, does not necessarily involve a lot of joy for oneself at times, and I think that to purely live for the next joyous moment for oneself, does not necessarily mean that it will bring joy to others. So that too, is a two edged sword.

    If you were to find yourself in a precarious situation, that could mean life or death, who would you call on? Blavatsky or Jesus Christ?

    Who has the power to deliver you?

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  6. ‘Getting to that truth, does not necessarily involve a lot of joy for oneself at times, and I think that to purely live for the next joyous moment for oneself, does not necessarily mean that it will bring joy to others. So that too, is a two edged sword.’

    It is true that searching for truth is not always a joy, however, for those who do seek for spiritual knowledge and are dedicated to that search, there is a joy that comes from gaining more insight (inner vision, intuition, self awareness) into the nature of reality. And though others may not see the joy coming from you, which can be depressing at times, all I or anyone can do is try to raise the vibrations (which is what emotions are) in others, not by preaching to them, but through compassion and altruism. All spiritual teachers can do is point the way. You don’t worship the pointer – whether Jesus, Buddha, Pythagoras, Hermes, Krishna, or others (including Blavatsky’s teachers, who added to the knowledge of those ancient sages) – only what they point to, which is actually very consistent among those pointers I’ve mentioned. I’ve spent 30 years pursuing that knowledge, and it has brought me great joy. However, that joy is tempered by the harshness and materialism of the society and world that I live in.

    ‘What you say about choosing what to do with knowledge is true, having the ability to decipher where the knowledge comes from is a different kettle of fish.’

    The ability to decipher where the knowledge comes from is a purely inner process, and it matters not who’s scriptures you choose to follow – whether from Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Pythagoras, Plato, Hermes, and others. However, they didn’t provide the whole truth to the masses during the times they lived. There is such a thing as esoteric knowledge, which most traditions possessed, and this is why Theosophy came into existence in the late 19th century. To present to the world the fact of this esoteric knowledge, which had been kept from the masses of humanity (prior to this time, there was an initiatory process that allowed certain individuals to be exposed to the deeper, esoteric knowledge).

    It’s good to keep in mind that Jesus is even recorded in the gospels of telling his immediate disciples that there was knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven that was only meant for them, and not for outsiders, who he spoke to in parables. There is some truth in the parables, of course, but this other knowledge is esoteric knowledge, which was never divulged in the Christian scriptures. Was the “Holy” Roman Catholic Church in possession of this knowledge, and kept it from their followers for their own benefit (power), or did they even possess it in the first place? Blavatsky and the Theosophical movement tried to bring some of this esoteric knowledge of the spiritual kingdom into the open to the world to ponder and meditate on. They felt the time was right.

    In the end all one can do is rely on their own intuition (inner vision, insight, self-awareness, which I greatly believe in) and determine if something is true, or real, or not. That is why Blavatsky’s teachers wanted everyone to be their own priest, and realize the Christ principle in their self; AS their Self. The I in I AM. Self-reliance and self responsibility. Something no spiritual teacher can give you. It has to be acquired through effort and understanding.

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  7. “It is true that searching for truth is not always a joy, however, for those who do seek for spiritual knowledge and are dedicated to that search, there is a joy that comes from gaining more insight (inner vision, intuition, self awareness) into the nature of reality. ”

    Intuition. Look at how many people have deceived themselves into thinking that they are on the right track through using their intuition, and have ended up following the false light, a programmer, a charlatan, a whatever. If a persons cornerstone, for lack of a better word, is off, everything else will end up being off. Including their intuition. So intuition is a tricky thing. What if you were to discover that for the thirty odd years that you have spent on a particular path, was nothing more than an illusion. Similar to a person in a marriage, who finds out that their spouse has been lying to them,
    “It could never happen to me”…right.

    Theosophy was around long before Blavatsky was, she was responsible on some level, for the continuation of the illusion, there is nothing new under the sun, as it is said. The esoteric knowledge that you mention, was not hidden. If , as you say, it is within yourself, who was hiding it from you? You? Everyone else?

    You said that you have spent 30 years pursuing knowledge. The I Am. Something, you say, that no spiritual teacher can give you, that is required through effort and understanding. Yet how many new age doctrines claim that it is all so effortless.

    You say that Blavatsky wanted everyone to be their own priest. Yet in a way, you are intuiting Blavatsky as some kind of priest, who tells you that you do not need one.

    When it comes to self reliance, you are a human listening to non human intelligence, working through another human, that is claiming to have divine knowledge. If it was divine knowledge, you could kick my ass with it, but you can’t. Because it is not.

    Jesus Christ.

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  8. Yeah, you seem to be trying to use logic to understand something that is beyond logic. Transcendental knowledge is beyond the ordinary logical-rational mind. Intuition is beyond that. Apparently nothing I say is going to change your mindset, so it really does nothing for me or you to try to give any more info on my perspective. I will only say that if you have never looked into Theosophy and it’s philosophy, along with the other Way-showers I have mentioned, you really have no grounds to have any opinions for or against. Your argument rests on assumptions you make, not knowledge. I will continue to pursue universal knowledge, that transcends time, cultures, races, sexes, and languages. Good luck with whatever you pursue. If Jesus is the only master you recognize, then please don’t try to convince others that their masters-teachers are wrong. Especially if you possess little or any knowledge of those teachers-teachings. That is a sign of spiritual arrogance, and, frankly, ignorance. If you are really interested in the history of Christianity (the real history, and not what you have been spoon fed), and why the Roman Catholic Church and it’s offshoots must be destroyed and dismantled for good, for the sake and good of all humanity, then I would suggest reading Isis Unveiled. It is a false path built by power hungry individuals who were only interested in their own power and not the masses who followed them (usually because of some kind of threat or force) who they lorded their power over for some two thousand years. It’s days are numbered. The gnostics were the true Christians. And, if you weren’t aware, gnosis means knowledge. They were the true knowers, and am pretty sure were aware of the ancient traditions which they arose out of, like Hermetism, Pythagoreanism, Platonism, and likely Buddhism.

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  9. ” Good luck with whatever you pursue. If Jesus is the only master you recognize, then please don’t try to convince others that their masters-teachers are wrong. Especially if you possess little or any knowledge of those teachers-teachings. That is a sign of spiritual arrogance, and, frankly, ignorance.”

    On the contrary, please do not try an convince others that your masters are right on your quest to establish the new world 4th Reich religion.

    Edited to add. FYI. You have no idea about my history, experiences, or background in the new age religion which tells me it is you that has the spirit of arrogance and ignorance.

    People like you, blow a lot of hot air about dismantling the RCC, and state that its days are numbered, yet fail to realize that you will have to resort to the same tactics that they used to get them into power, to get the job done. I.e Force and bloodhshed. Although because people like you are such hypocrites, you will, no doubt, rely on others to do it for you to keep your blessed “karma” intact.
    True parasitical behavior. So yeah, continue to pursue universal knowledge, that transcends time, cultures, races, sexes, and languages, I doubt that that will bring the RCC to its knees.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNh9FHzpsvS_1M9sVTXAINg

    You may also want to check out Brian Ruhe

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  10. If I am arrogant, and a hypocrite, then please tell me how and why. How much do you actually know about me and my knowledge? In my statement I did say IF. You inferred the rest.

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  11. You mentioned that you have spent the past 30 years on your path and to my knowledge, are pro Blavatsky therefore Luciferic, that is, if I am to take into account what you wrote here.

    You assume that I have been “spoon fed”. Which renders you arrogant.

    You also stated that gnostics were the original Christians. I showed you a link to Ecclisia Gnostica which is run by a RC Gnostic.

    You said…

    “If you are really interested in the history of Christianity (the real history, and not what you have been spoon fed), and why the Roman Catholic Church and it’s offshoots must be destroyed and dismantled for good, for the sake and good of all humanity”…

    Wouldn’t you say that Ecclisia Gnostica is an offshoot of the RCC? What are you doing to dismantle it?
    You tell me, your the knower. This is what makes you a hypcorite….Maybe you need to look into the history of gnosticism and what you have been spoon fed.

    (I also though it was humorous that a related channel to the one that i mentioned is Poplars channel) lmao!

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  12. I don’t know where you got “spoon fed” from. It obviously didn’t come from me. I didn’t mention that phrase once in my replies. YOU are the one accusing me of arrogance and ignorance. I never said that once about you. If you read into it that it was about you, well, that’s your doing, not mine.

    I also showed you a link that showed that the founder of Ecclesia Gnostica was NOT a Roman Catholic, and was in fact a part of the American Catholic Church (not related to Roman Catholic), and the word Catholic only means “universal”. Any group or religion can call themselves Catholics, but it doesn’t in any way mean that they are a part of Roman Catholicism. The founder of Ecclesia Gnostica, Stephen Hoeller, was not a Roman Catholic when he started Ecclesia Gnostica. The link and information I provided (did you even read it?) says that Hoeller was in fact a member of a lecturing faculty of Manly P. Hall’s Philosophical Research Society, and a speaker for the Theosophical Society of America. So I think it’s pretty clear that he wasn’t associated with the RCC at all.

    I have never been “spoon fed” anything. Another assumption. I’ve studied many different philosophical, metaphysical, psychological, and spiritual teachings from all over the world. I’m an eternal seeker. And I highly doubt that you understand anything related to Theosophy, what they consider Lucifer to be (show me anywhere in Theosophical literature where there is a belief in an actual being called Lucifer and a worship of said being), and a belief that they want to start a 4th Reich, with Maitreya as Lord and Savior. From Blavatskys writings, not Alice Bailey, or Annie Besant or Charles Leadbeater – they distorted and completely changed Blavatskys main concepts (and as I mentioned, they were already part of the Christian church before becoming Theosophists – a connection? I think so).

    Show me anywhere that you understand the Theosophical philosophy, and I might be able to carry on an intelligent conversation with you, instead of throwing stuff around that is downright wrong and doesn’t reek of your already made up agenda, which is all too obvious.

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  13. Pfft….I can’t have a conversation with anyone who is in denial about what they wrote a few days ago.

    You said that you didn’t say..
    “I don’t know where you got “spoon fed” from. It obviously didn’t come from me. I didn’t mention that phrase once in my replies.”

    You said..
    “If you are really interested in the history of Christianity (the real history, and not what you have been spoon fed.”

    You said that you didn’t say..
    “YOU are the one accusing me of arrogance and ignorance. I never said that once about you”
    .
    You said..
    “Especially if you possess little or any knowledge of those teachers-teachings. That is a sign of spiritual arrogance, and, frankly, ignorance”

    You said..

    “Show me anywhere that you understand the Theosophical philosophy, and I might be able to carry on an intelligent conversation with you, instead of throwing stuff around that is downright wrong and doesn’t reek of your already made up agenda, which is all too obvious”.

    …………………………

    Until you can take responsibility and acknowledge your own writings, your agenda of trying to make it seem as if I have an agenda is a failure absolute.

    You quite possibly have so much knowledge of eternal knowledge that your masonically inspired enlightened mind shines so brightly, it has physically blinded you to the very things you have written.

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  14. I did say ‘spoon fed’, and I did say ‘spiritual arrogance’. But I prefaced both of the statements with ‘IF’. So, if you think that implied you personally, then that’s your projection, not mine. IF you don’t know the history of Christianity, and IF you don’t understand the basic philosophy of Theosophy, and what they ACTUALLY teach, then you are guilty of ‘spiritual arrogance’ and a victim of being ‘spoon fed.’ IF you took my statements personally, then that’s your problem. Being perceptive helps in that regard.

    What led me to your site in the first place was because of a search I did on Stewart Swerdlow after watching a youtube video by him that same day. I had never heard of him before, and after watching about 10 minutes of his lecture I knew he was a phony and a first class BS’er (actually I sensed almost immediately that something wasn’t right with the dude; he sounded like a jew trying to sell me something). And I said as much in the comments; I said ‘I hope no one paid money to listen to this first-class BSer. He deserves a medal for that. That’s ten minutes of my life I can’t get back’. A couple of people criticized me for the comments, but many more agreed.

    So, I will say again that if you want to have an intelligent conversation about Theosophy, H.P. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and/or the ‘New Age’, I will be more than happy to, as I know at least some things about them all, and believe me, they are not all the same, and can’t be put under one roof, which is something I read all the time on the internet by people who try to; mostly, almost entirely, from Christians. Especially connecting Alice Bailey with Blavatsky and Theosophy. Even though Bailey was a Theosophist at one time, she was rejected by her fellow Theosophists because she was advocating and promoting something that was completely different from what Blavatsky had written in her many tomes, and claiming it came from one of Blavatsky’s teachers, which caused her to break off and start her own movement. Especially regarding Jesus ‘Christ’, the savior or avatar belief, and a new age religion. Blavatsky made it clear that Christ was not a term used for a single person in the history of humankind, but represented a principle that everyone possessed, (a gnostic and Hindu belief that existed long before Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire). Hinduism had the same idea with Krishna – a word that has the same root meaning as Christ – long before Christianity came into existence. Krishna was a manifestation of the ‘God-man.’ We all are, but only esotericists understand the gist of it….

    A ‘new age’ religion, and a new world order based on the brotherhood and sisterhood of humanity, who are to share and enlighten one another, will not happen anytime soon. Not until a large portion of the population begin to see from a higher perspective – from the level of the Christ or Krishna consciousness. And how many people do you know who see from that perspective??

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  15. Erm…you said.

    “I did say ‘spoon fed’, and I did say ‘spiritual arrogance’. But I prefaced both of the statements with ‘IF’. So, if you think that implied you personally, then that’s your projection, not mine”

    ………………

    You prefaced THE below statement with “ESPECIALLY” not “IF”.

    I didn’t take it personally either, nothing offends me to be honest. I read the comment in the context of which you wrote it. You also said “you” four times. taking this into account, I took it that you were directing the statement to me.

    So, not so much of a lack of perception on my part, but lack of your ability to convey your thoughts in a way that is comprehensible and in context, to the person to whom you are wishing to convey a message to.

    Especially“…adverb
    used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others.

    YOU wrote.

    ” If Jesus is the only master you recognize, then please don’t try to convince others that their masters-teachers are wrong. Especially if you possess little or any knowledge of those teachers-teachings. That is a sign of spiritual arrogance, and, frankly, ignorance. If you are really interested in the history of Christianity (the real history, and not what you have been spoon fed)”,

    ………………

    I think it is amusing, that you think for some reason that I would be interested in anything Blavatsky-esque and i honestly couldn’t give a shit about her thoughts on Christ.

    Are you a fan of this quote by the Mdm? “It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God.”

    Regarding Swerdlow, I take it you watched the interview on Miles Johnstons festering mind control hub ?

    A new age religion based on sisterhood and brotherhood, crafted and engineered by secret societies, that rest assured, wouldn’t let you within quite a few outer circles of their inner circle.

    As for people that “see” from this “higher perspective” or “level” that you mention, I have known a few, and met a few in passing that have seen themselves to be on this enlightened “level”. but self perception is a funny thing.

    Sure,a person can manipulate another into thinking they are on some higher “level”.

    God man…. When you have manifested something like this earth, and inhabited it with life, given the life free will……get back to me. Until then, I look forward to being humored by your veiled hatred – love n light bollox.

    If you know so much, what is holding you back? Spill the beans.

    Reverence / Irreverence.

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  16. Bollox, huh? I guess that makes you a British type person.

    Again, I would advise using that discerning quality I mentioned in the last post. I said – and you can quote me on this – especially IF. Again, especially IF. It’s right there bloke. That’s the key word. IF. Now I know it might be a little too deep for you to discern such subtlety (which wasn’t subtle at all), but I repeated IF in each statement, and you took it personally. And again, that’s your problem, not mine, IF you took it personally. People do speak in impersonal, general terms, buddy.

    But WE can look past that.

    And you go on to say that “if you think for some reason that I would be interested in anything Blavatsky-esque”. Well then why the fuck are you saying anything at all if you are not interested in anything having to do with Theosophy or what Blavatsky has written? That was kind of the whole point, wasn’t it? You wrote an article about it like you actually know something. You actually perfectly made MY points. Specifically about “especially IF” you have no knowledge, which you admit you don’t. So that does IN FACT make you spiritually arrogant and ignorant, because you know nothing about the topic at hand (you admitted it), and write articles about the very thing you are ignorant about.

    And then pretending like you know something about these secret societies. I’m sure you are not any closer to that “inner circle” – with whatever secret society you believe is running things – than I am. And I could care less. Theosophy is not a secret society by any stretch of the imagination. The teachings and philosophy are right out there in the open, for anyone to read. Which includes the writings of many wise sages and seers – Pythagoras, Plato, Hermes, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Krishna, etc., etc. So you again expose your ignorance because you admit you have no knowledge of what Blavatsky wrote or what Theosophy teaches and could give a rats ass.

    So YOU are the CHARLATAN here, not me. Pretending like you know something, and writing an article about it, when you could care less about what someone ACTUALLY said.

    For instance, you say, Are you a fan of this quote by the Mdm? “It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God.”

    If you no nothing about Theosophy, then you have no idea what that means. And me trying to explain it to you would be less than useless. Completely different meaning than what orthodox Christians think it means. And IF you think Bailey and Blavatsky meant the same thing, you are sorely wrong. But as you said, you have no interest in anything Blavatsky-esque, so what does that make you, besides arrogant and ignorant? Case closed. Grow a brain. Put on your dugpa cap, dugpa boy, and get to the back of the class.

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  17. A British “type” person? So you try to put me in a cultural box by picking up on one word? Shit, you are enlightened. I don’t think I have ever came across an actualized person until you posted here.

    Like I said, I have known a few and have met a few in passing who see themselves as enlightened. They never, ever are. Ever. You included. All of us fall short of the Glory of God. Including you.

    I didn’t accuse you of being a charlatan,…. but as long as you are blowing smoke up Blavatsky’s arse, you are a promoter of them. 30 odd years of doing it too. As far as Bailey is concerned, a mere head on the hydra. As for Plato and Pythagorus, you think these men are the ancients?

    Have you ever met or mingled with anyone from a secret society? Are any of your relatives Masons, male or female?

    Btw, where did I admit ignorance about the topics that you talk about? What, just because I personally refuse to engage in a dialogue with you about Blavatsky means I am ignorant? The teachings on philosophy and theosophy are out there (somewhat) in the open because of the externalization of the hierarchy. Whose ass sits on top of that pyramid? Maybe Blavatskys herself.
    Not yours. Do you understand the work hierarchy?

    But instead of you attacking the argument, proof and evidence…………………….

    I don’t spend my time promoting “their” agenda. You don’t even know what the agenda is. But you are rooting for it.

    Oh, and I am a female, stick that discerning intuitive feather in your crimson cap and at least try going to class.
    Now go and sit in the corner with that red hat of yours and stew in your own juices for a bit.

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  18. Yeah, I kind of figured you were a female. All reactionary, no actual argumentation. You said it your self, I didn’t: you don’t care what Blavatsky says about anything, including Christ, so that makes YOU ignorant and arrogant about Theosophy. Your Christian leanings are easily discernable, which clearly shows YOUR bias and inability to engage in intelligent, metaphysical conversation.

    Learn something about Theosophy, show your knowledge of it by presenting some kind of evidence, and I might take that cap off and let you sit at the front of the class.

    Do I understand the word “hierarchy”? Of course I do. What, are you saying you are way up there on the hierarchy, and I’m not capable of understanding your high and mighty position on said hierarchy? Hardly….

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  19. You didn’t “figure” that I was female, you said it yourself and called me Dugpa boy. You have no actual argument which is why you need to whittle it down to the last resort of male / female, left / right, blue / red pillars.

    You said..
    “I’m not capable of understanding your high and mighty position on said hierarchy?”

    Prior to this statement you said..

    “Learn something about Theosophy, show your knowledge of it by presenting some kind of evidence, and I might take that cap off and let you sit at the front of the class.”

    See your own elevated idea about yourself here? You have unwittingly taught me a lot about you already by using the worn out “female, all reactionary, no argument” strawman.

    Don’t you have a chakra that needs spinning or something?

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    • Strawman?.. Hardly. I didn’t need to invoke female to make my point. But you didn’t see it because you were, again, being reactionary, like a typical female.

      Address what I actually said about Theosophy, in some kind of logical, coherent way, and I might be able to get past this reactionary, no argument position of yours, and engage in a somewhat intelligent discussion.

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  20. “The teachings on philosophy and theosophy are out there (somewhat) in the open because of the externalization of the hierarchy”
    ,
    They are all “out there” – which are really within, for anyone who knows anything about esotericism and mysticism, and the “externalization of the hierarchy” is all Bailey’s ideas, and not Theosophy’s, which is easy to discern if you actually look into it. Bailey WAS NOT, and I repeat, WAS NOT a Theosophist, even though she associated with the movement for a short time (because her husband was a Theosophist when they married). She started her own movement, based on her own belief that she was telepathically in contact with the same mahatmas that Blavatsky claimed she was in contact with. But most Theosophists during her time didn’t believe her, largely because she was spewing something completely different from what Blavatsky wrote-disseminated.

    This is easily verifiable. They were different teachings, by different teachers. There is nothing mysterious about Theosophy. You learn about your self, and the more you learn, the more you learn of the Self of the Universe – which some refer to as God, whether anthropomorphized or not. That’s it, really, and actually. Real scary, nefarious, wicked, evil, diabolical, psychotic, right? (sarcasm). Has nothing to do with saviors, avatars, prophets, gurus, middlemen between you and the Divine. They just bring the message. That is all they ever did. YOU make sense of it. That’s kind of the whole point of esoteric teachings. Learning about your SELF, and how you relate to the universe.

    http://www.blavatskytrust.org.uk/html/articles/the%20right%20angle%20p11.htm

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  21. Word Salad.

    Heads up..nobody comes here to click on your links.

    But if you do come here, feel free to hop on over to Blavatsky.org and learn about some socially engineered masonic communism masquerading as the Divine. Then become a part of it.

    Legion.

    If what I mention, didn’t fuck you off so much, you wouldn’t bother to post here. defending your handlers, a distraction. You should check out mine and IllumiPanties vids. But I think that is why you have waited up until now to say something.

    New Age Religion / New World Order initiates… always Give themselves Away by Capitalizing certain Words and Using the Language as A programming Tool.

    Love n Light. love n light.

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  22. “Heads up..nobody comes here to click on your links.”

    Heads down.. that link was not meant for anyone else. If you want to learn what Blavatsky actually said about Freemasonry, in black and white, there it is. No speculating, no projecting – just what was ACTUALLY written by her. If you want to argue with me about that – something factual – feel free.

    I could not find a Blavatsky.org. I found a helenablavatsky.org, and a Blavatsky.net, but no Blavatsky.org. They are Blavatsky-theosophy supporters, so I doubt that is what you wanted me to look at. I will be happy to check out any other links you have that support an idea that Theosophy and Blavatsky had any connection with a socially engineered masonic communism. And if you want to be so bold, tell me if you have a problem with communism, and why. That is something actual that can be discussed in an intelligent manner.

    “If what I mention, didn’t fuck you off so much, you wouldn’t bother to post here.”

    Ummmm…. could you translate that into English? Is that a British expression? All Greek to me…

    I did watch a The Pretenders video by a apurplepebble. I assume that was you. Cute. A little funny. But the entertainment value could have been raised a little. Not quite enough paranoia, imho.

    But enough was seen to get a pretty clear picture of what you’re about. You’re convinced that there is some worldwide conspiracy designed by Masons and Theosophists and other secret societies to dismantle and destroy the old world order created by the “Holy” Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuits, and their desire to control and dominate the world through the accumulation of extreme wealth and natural resources, helped of course by the Rothschild and Rockefeller dynasties, and their abilities to create chaos, war and paranoia on a massive scale. And these “conspiracy theorists” are working hand in hand with them, knowingly deceiving those who listen to them and watch their videos.

    A nice little mish-mash of groups looking to initiate a New World Order. The question I have is: are all of these groups really on the same team, working for the same goal, and where is the proof? And not some speculating based on extreme bias toward a certain group or cult (Christianity, for instance), who sees anyone or anything that is not of that group or cult as “luciferic”, or “satanic”, or of some mythological “Devil?”

    Again, some actual, verifiable proof would certainly bolster your claims, instead of just pointing fingers. I have seen no connection at all between Theosophy and the HRCC, the Jesuits, the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Zionists and communists. The Theosophists I know are certainly in no position of power to influence anyone on a large scale.

    And I will add this: you mentioned a quote of Blavatsky that “Satan is the god of this world.” The meaning of that is completely different than what a Christian – a die hard, literalist Christian – believes it to be. You have to have some knowledge of esotericism to understand what that means. Satan is simply a metaphor for the material world, or materialism. It rules most people’s lives, for it is necessary for survival to exist in this world. Spirit and Matter are the dualities that everyone has to deal with on this world. Philosophers the world over have thought about this. If you (anyone, not you personally) have any kind of spiritual awareness, it’s easy to see the duality, and by that make changes that glorify the spiritual, and lessen the influence of matter. But as long as we (anyone) have our focus on the physical, then Satan, or Lucifer – to be understood in a metaphorical sense, as the lower mind – rules our lives. If not, we would live as pure spirits, and would not be controlled by the physical realm at all. This is mystical and esoteric knowledge, and has existed forever; much longer than the cult known as Christianity, which has aspects of this knowledge contained within it (gnosis). As Jesus said, “when your eye is single, your whole body is full of light.” The “eye is single” simply means seeing spiritually, above the duality of spirit and matter that the physical eyes see, and the body becomes spiritualized by focusing on the single eye of spirit (which has a connection with the third eye).

    So….in conclusion….. put that in your pipe and smoke it. {(*)}o{(*)}

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  23. 1. I don’t need a lesson on black and white. Believe me on that one if nothing else lol!

    2 .I am glad you found the Pretenders vid “cute” . That one is almost 4 years old and still holds true to this day, the same old arseholes and the same old circuits, same old mind control…..

    3. You said….

    “You’re convinced that there is some worldwide conspiracy designed by Masons and Theosophists and other secret societies to dismantle and destroy the old world order created by the “Holy” Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuits”,
    and their desire to control and dominate the world through the accumulation of extreme wealth and natural resources, helped of course by the Rothschild and Rockefeller dynasties, and their abilities to create chaos, war and paranoia on a massive scale.
    …………….
    I think you have been watching way too many Youtube vids on conspiracy theories and are projecting your mind control onto me. Give me the proof of my even mentioning this theory, lol.!
    ………………..
    You went on to say..

    “And these “conspiracy theorists” are working hand in hand with them, knowingly deceiving those who listen to them and watch their videos”.
    ……………………

    …yeah, my point is…looks to me as if these “conspiracy theorists” are capitalizing on the mind control …..and piling more on simultaneously……..you cant see that eh?

    I cannot be arsed to respond to the rest of your lofty platitudes until you figure this one out.

    You said….

    “Spirit and Matter are the dualities that everyone has to deal with on this world”.

    ……………………….’………………………………
    Spirit and matter are not dualities matter comes from Spirit… (metapaphysics 101)

    You seem to be at war with yourself………..

    erm…put that in your pipe and smoke it sizzle chest.

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  24. “Spirit and matter are not dualities matter comes from Spirit…metapaphysics 101”

    I disagree. Matter doesn’t come from Spirit, and Spirit does not come from Matter. They are the two eternals. There is no such thing as a complete absence of matter, and no such thing as a complete absence of spirit. Though eternal, they interact in a never-ending dance of push and pull, manifestation and non-manifestation

    And actually, that’s kind of the whole point in this whole thing. You claim they are dugpas and engaging in black magic and mind control, and this is part of this worldwide conspiracy to take over the world. The NWO. When people talk, they automatically enter the world of duality, because language is dualistic by nature. So it’s really simple for you, or Icke, or Blavatsky, or whoever to be accused of being mind controllers, simply because you TALK.

    “You seem to be at war with yourself………..”

    I’m not at war with myself, or anyone. That’s what I see coming from you. It looks to me like you see all of these “mind controllers” taking over the consciousness of the poor masses. You have this whole blog dedicated to exposing these “dugpas” – and I know what those are – red cap, yellow cap, blah, blah, blah. So you can say what you want. I know the oneness beyond the PERCEIVED duality of existence. I can’t help but wonder if you do. You seem to enjoy the labels and labeling. And accusing, and all that. Allllll dualistic.

    You say: In metaphysics and new age thinking, it is taught that all things are connected, why then, in this statement from Blavatsky, is the astral and material treated as something that is separate? Is it not all connected? Here Blavatsky states the the masters have power in the astral etc, but not the material?

    You just show your misunderstanding and misinterpreting there. If you did understand metaphysics 101, and Theosophy 101, then it’s easy to understand what that means. The separation implied is simply for discussion’s sake. Any kind of discussing, using language, implies duality; that is absolute and unavoidable and a basic law of existence. Of course there is a continuity between the physical, astral, mental, and spiritual. Very few know this and see it. But to make a point, Blavatsky resorts to language; which is of the psychic level. At the physical level, no one has power over anyone, except through brute force. At the spiritual level, no one has power over anyone else, because at that level there is only pure consciousness and pure will, and no psychic-astral energy is involved. So, the psychic is the only level where one can have any power over another.

    You accuse these others as being “mind controllers.” They may control you, but they don’t control me. I alone determine if they do, no matter how many astral vibrations or projections are aimed at me. We exist in an “astral sea”, and that is where most human interactions take place; most of it at a subconscious level. People who understand this know they can influence another’s consciousness. The “dugpa” or black magician knows this, and tries to consciously influence another’s psychic state. That is the definition of black magic. Someone who knows their SELF, knows it is wrong to interfere with another’s freewill. A person who listens to David Icke talk is not being controlled by Icke to listen. They do it of their own freewill – willingly – and no forcing is taking place, so there is no mind controlling taking place. If they are hypnotized by his words, it’s not Icke’s fault. He just presents information for others to ponder. As did Blavatsky, as did Jesus, as did Buddha, as did Lao Tzu, as did blah, blah, blah. Unless someone deliberately tries to force their consciousness into another’s consciousness against their will, it is not black magic; it is presenting information that one is free to accept or reject.

    I’m sure that people who made movies and music figured this out a long time ago. They knew the power of words, and images, and sounds, and they deliberately used them to create an impression on the spectator. But the ones who were impressed were not forced to watch or listen to their work (no Manchurian Candidate business going on). They could accept it, or reject it; believe it, or disbelieve it. Sure, it influences at a subconscious level, and advertisers are well aware of this, but it’s not like the audiences were dosed with LSD and then forced to watch or listen to whoever was presenting their art to them. If the MK Ultra stuff is true – and I’m not so sure it is – then it could be argued that Manchurian Candidate kind of activity was going on. (I do have a book, however, called Acid Dreams, that does suggest that LSD was originally being used by the US gov. to see if chemically induced mind control was possible as a weapon of war. They discovered it wasn’t).

    Propaganda, is the art of using knowledge to influence another’s consciousness. It is black magic, in a way, but it is the individual’s choice to accept or reject it. But the power of the subconscious is hard to control if one is easily swayed by “popular opinion” and peer pressure, and the mob mentality. Governments, religions, advertisers, all know this. They want others to believe what they believe, so they create this “word salad” (sound familiar?) to get others on their side.

    You said: I think you have been watching way too many Youtube vids on conspiracy theories and are projecting your mind control onto me. Give me the proof of my even mentioning this theory, lol.!

    You were the one who brought up Blavatsky being a dugpa (inferred), and a “socially engineered masonic communist world.” Is that not the heart of your conspiracy theory? All of these people being mind-controlled by Icke, Blavatsky and others, who are hell-bent on creating a Luciferic-inspired world.

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  25. “There is no such thing as a complete absence of matter, and no such thing as a complete absence of spirit. Though eternal, they interact in a never-ending dance of push and pull, manifestation and non-manifestation”

    The Spirit, the unseen, the unknown exists before matter manifests. If you want to get down to the atomic level, The Spirit exists before the atom comes into existences. You can dance around that truth all you want. Think about the whole create your own reality mentality, this might be true, up until a point, but that can all change when you discover that the Universe /God has a completely different plan for you. The will of self vs the Will of God. Water and Oil in most cases.

    “And actually, that’s kind of the whole point in this whole thing. You claim they are dugpas and engaging in black magic and mind control, and this is part of this worldwide conspiracy to take over the world. The NWO. When people talk, they automatically enter the world of duality, because language is dualistic by nature. So it’s really simple for you, or Icke, or Blavatsky, or whoever to be accused of being mind controllers, simply because you TALK.”

    So through your language and your wording you too are yourself, a mind controller, by merely engaging in a conversation. There is a big difference between having a conversation with another human being, and having a platform with a plethora of public relations advocates, tools in the tool box i.e. knowledge of how to use hypnosis against another, the promotion of mind altering drugs and symbols that can be used against another for example. Big difference. If you have ever been a subject of a satanic and or a luciferic ritual for example, you would know. But I am going to assume, that you have just read a lot of books, which is why you are such a fervent defender and repeater.

    “I’m not at war with myself, or anyone. That’s what I see coming from you. It looks to me like you see all of these “mind controllers” taking over the consciousness of the poor masses. You have this whole blog dedicated to exposing these “dugpas” – and I know what those are – red cap, yellow cap, blah, blah, blah. So you can say what you want. I know the oneness beyond the PERCEIVED duality of existence. I can’t help but wonder if you do. You seem to enjoy the labels and labeling. And accusing, and all that. Allllll dualistic”.

    No, just calling a spade a spade. It is experiential. To really know that, you have to at some point, experience it. Then it becomes your walk, there is no getting away from it. If you have experienced it, you know it. Not the shadow of it.

    “You say: In metaphysics and new age thinking, it is taught that all things are connected, why then, in this statement from Blavatsky, is the astral and material treated as something that is separate? Is it not all connected? Here Blavatsky states the the masters have power in the astral etc, but not the material?
    You just show your misunderstanding and misinterpreting there. If you did understand metaphysics 101, and Theosophy 101, then it’s easy to understand what that means. The separation implied is simply for discussion’s sake. Any kind of discussing, using language, implies duality; that is absolute and unavoidable and a basic law of existence. Of course there is a continuity between the physical, astral, mental, and spiritual. Very few know this and see it. But to make a point, Blavatsky resorts to language; which is of the psychic level. At the physical level, no one has power over anyone, except through brute force. At the spiritual level, no one has power over anyone else, because at that level there is only pure consciousness and pure will, and no psychic-astral energy is involved. So, the psychic is the only level where one can have any power over another.”

    Bullshit. You have contradicted yourself here. Words have power. Control the language…….control the mind, control the mind, control the person. Depending on the level of mind control the person through word sound, the person is already under…if you apply this to a larger scale, control the population. Control the population, control the rest of it. For example, control people via the physical medium of the TV or Youtube….Pure consciousness? From whose perspective? What Blavatsky wrote, what Icke wrote? Telling you what pure consciousness is? So whose level are you experiencing? Yours? Or what someone else told you it was / is?

    ‘You accuse these others as being “mind controllers.” They may control you, but they don’t control me. I alone determine if they do, no matter how many astral vibrations or projections are aimed at me. We exist in an “astral sea”, and that is where most human interactions take place; most of it at a subconscious level. People who understand this know they can influence another’s consciousness.

    “The “dugpa” or black magician knows this, and tries to consciously influence another’s psychic state. That is the definition of black magic. Someone who knows their SELF, knows it is wrong to interfere with another’s freewill. A person who listens to David Icke talk is not being controlled by Icke to listen. They do it of their own freewill – willingly – and no forcing is taking place, so there is no mind controlling taking place. If they are hypnotized by his words, it’s not Icke’s fault. He just presents information for others to ponder. As did Blavatsky, as did Jesus, as did Buddha, as did Lao Tzu, as did blah, blah, blah. Unless someone deliberately tries to force their consciousness into another’s consciousness against their will, it is not black magic; it is presenting information that one is free to accept or reject.”

    Bullshit. See above response. If a person uses covert hypnosis, pushes mind altering drugs, NLP and whatever other “mediums” of control they can use while making a buck off of the unaware at the same time WHILE refusing to take a look into their own back yard, ignoring being rebuked for using said mediums, that you yourself have acknowledged then there is an issue there. “Presenting information” Load o’ crap. If anyone such as Icke has experienced the ETERNAL, he would fucking well KNOW that the above mediums are off base lol! Get real. Do not tell me that these individuals have touched the Divine, yet continue after twenty five fucking years to pull the same shit out of of the hat lol! Oh and this also applies to the “Christian” “Troofers” as well.

    End of.

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  26. “The Spirit, the unseen, the unknown exists before matter manifests. If you want to get down to the atomic level, The Spirit exists before the atom comes into existences. You can dance around that truth all you want.”

    No dancing. Just stating the truth, as I have experienced it. Prove your contention.

    “Think about the whole create your own reality mentality, this might be true, up until a point, but that can all change when you discover that the Universe /God has a completely different plan for you. The will of self vs the Will of God. Water and Oil in most cases.”

    God doesn’t interfere with freewill. That is the apple Eve ate. If Self-Spirit-I is one in essence with God, then doing God’s will is also doing Self’s will, as they are not separate – in an absolute, eternal. Only the ego – and the personality that grows from it – can go against God’s will.

    “So through your language and your wording you too are yourself, a mind controller, by merely engaging in a conversation.”

    As are you. The mind is dualistic by nature, so any conversation has duality at it’s root. I.E. illusion.

    “There is a big difference between having a conversation with another human being, and having a platform with a plethora of public relations advocates, tools in the tool box i.e. knowledge of how to use hypnosis against another, the promotion of mind altering drugs and symbols that can be used against another for example. Big difference. If you have ever been a subject of a satanic and or a luciferic ritual for example, you would know.”

    And you have been the subject of a satanic or luciferic ritual? Or known someone who has? Who has promoted mind altering drugs and symbols? Where is the proof?

    “But I am going to assume, that you have just read a lot of books, which is why you are such a fervent defender and repeater.”

    I’ve read a lot books in metaphysics, mysticism, psychology, esotericism, and I’ve had a lot of experiences, so your attempt to diminish my position is ridiculous.

    “No, just calling a spade a spade. It is experiential. To really know that, you have to at some point, experience it. Then it becomes your walk, there is no getting away from it. If you have experienced it, you know it. Not the shadow of it.”

    Your walk has not gone far enough. Your comments are in the realm of duality, clearly with an agenda, trying to support a certain view, So, yeah…..no.

    “Bullshit. You have contradicted yourself here. Words have power. Control the language…….control the mind, control the mind, control the person. Depending on the level of mind control the person through word sound, the person is already under…if you apply this to a larger scale, control the population. Control the population, control the rest of it.”

    Yeah, like I said, that is propaganda. People who know their real self do buy into the propagandists. And a person is only under someone’s mind control if they willingly let someone do it. Otherwise, a person has freewill, and can choose what they want to believe or think. If you are easily hypnotized, it’s possible to influence someone’s consciousness. A child might be hypnotized and easily manipulated, but grown adults should have outgrown that, and be able to think on their own.

    “For example, control people via the physical medium of the TV or Youtube….Pure consciousness? From whose perspective? What Blavatsky wrote, what Icke wrote? Telling you what pure consciousness is? So whose level are you experiencing? Yours? Or what someone else told you it was / is?

    If you know and have experience pure consciousness, then no medium like TV or youtube can influence your consciousness. Not that hard to experience, though requires some effort, like meditation or contemplation, or entheogens.

    “Bullshit. You have contradicted yourself here. Words have power. Control the language…….”

    Words have power only to the extent that someone allows those words to have that power over them. Sure, they can get into the subconscious and have some effect on conscious awareness. But if a person examines themselves on a constant basis, and brings self-awareness into all of life, then no one else’s consciousness can affect them, because they have God-Spirit-Self-I behind them. Not easy to contact that state, but possible if diligent.

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  27. No dancing. Just stating the truth, as I have experienced it. Prove your contention”.

    Creator before creation. That doesn’t mean that the Creator is separate from the Creation. But because we have freewill, we can choose either

    1. do our own will “i”
    2. do God’s will. †

    Prove your experience.

    “God doesn’t interfere with freewill. That is the apple Eve ate. If Self-Spirit-I is one in essence with God, then doing God’s will is also doing Self’s will, as they are not separate – in an absolute, eternal. Only the ego – and the personality that grows from it – can go against God’s will.”

    Apple? Are you serious?

    “I’ve read a lot books in metaphysics, mysticism, psychology, esotericism, and I’ve had a lot of experiences, so your attempt to diminish my position is ridiculous.”

    You have no position. You have come here under mind control to defend mind control and believe that do what thou wilt is the whole of the law. You ” think” that your gnosis trumps the truth, teachings and salvation of Jesus Christ.
    Galations 2.20
    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Christ liveth in me. †

    “Your walk has not gone far enough. Your comments are in the realm of duality, clearly with an agenda, trying to support a certain view, So, yeah…..no”.

    You state here, that my walk has not gone far enough. funny how you come to that conclusion. You were wrong about me being a male, wrong about my comments being in the realm of duality, and wrong about me having an agenda….I told you at the beginning of this conversation, that the only reason you are here, is to make it seem like I have an agenda. by using strawman arguments. Yet you seem to be under the impression that you are some kind of authority on my walk lol!

    Again you have just proved to me, that you have not experienced the things you claim to have experienced. i.e your claims of experiencing pure consciousness. . You will always “think” that you have arrived, with your self spirit “I”.

    Again, here is additional proof and another example of your dualistic comments…..

    You said

    “Yeah, like I said, that is propaganda. People who know their real self do buy into the propagandists. And a person is only under someone’s mind control if they willingly let someone do it. Otherwise, a person has freewill, and can choose what they want to believe or think. If you are easily hypnotized, it’s possible to influence someone’s consciousness. A child might be hypnotized and easily manipulated, but grown adults should have outgrown that, and be able to think on their own”.

    People who know their real self, buy into the propagandists? Really? See your below statement because you contradict yourself again and reveal your dualistic thoughts, that you once again, projected onto me from your “I” .

    You state that someone that knows themself , is self aware, and that another’s consciousness cannot affect them. If that is true, why would someone who knows themself, buy into anothers propaganda?

    You said.

    “But if a person examines themselves on a constant basis, and brings self-awareness into all of life, then no one else’s consciousness can affect them, because they have God-Spirit-Self-I behind them. Not easy to contact that state, but possible if diligent”.”

    “If you know and have experience pure consciousness, then no medium like TV or youtube can influence your consciousness. Not that hard to experience, though requires some effort, like meditation or contemplation, or entheogens”.

    Entheogens……Do you think Jesus is a mushroom as well? lol!

    Happy Christmas

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  28. dear Pebble, just because you run this shop here does not imply you have to go into cat fights with those Muppets, that´s a waste of time and energy.

    You cannot help them, they want to believe Ufo , mushrooms, aliens, the wackier the better, they seek excitement and fantasy, let them have it.

    You did interfere with the astral travel of little Mickey mouse above, :)..how dare you ..wink… he might get out of course you see, we don´t want to put that on our resume. What if he finds a lizard in space, did you consider the consequences of that happening ?

    Quoting Weishaupt Oh foolish man what can you not made to believe ?

    Running out of mushrooms and ayuasca fast now…
    where is my Niburu when you need one ?
    Not even planet X
    Mayan calendar anyone ?

    Nope

    For sure, I am not one of these bible types, for goodness sake
    but there are inner truths to , in this case, the christian religion
    without the vatican hoopla and the rest of it
    inner truths
    if we abandon the control grid structure placed upon it
    the weaponizing part of it, etc..

    People are lost these days, purposely, by design, to make them easier manageable in preparation of things to come, the agenda
    Therefor it is good of you to give off some steam and make folk think and get their facts right
    in times of deception and massive confusion
    mainly due , to a large part , to those dugpas and their cohorts working on behalf of their masters.
    crushing deliberately, as it is a must be, what remains of the last defensive lines of religion, all religion for that matter. We all have to be ” one” you see
    This incessant propaganda of the system , this push for globalism in so many ways, sameness
    uniformity and so forth.

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  29. “You did interfere with the astral travel of little Mickey mouse above,:)..how dare you ..wink… he might get out of course you see, we don´t want to put that on our resume. What if he finds a lizard in space, did you consider the consequences of that happening ? ”

    Hey now, I didn’t put that on my resume, you did. I don’t play in the astral. If anything, I avoid it.

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