ALTERNATIVE RADIO SHOW HOST RANDY MAUGANS

Has the cheek to call other Alternative Radio Shows a FRONT.

(except for his of course….what a surprise…)

Its unravelling I tell ya…and Randy Maugans is a mere thread in the grand tapestry of deceivers.

Hope you like the blog Randy. Thin Ice much?

doubledippindugpa

Lets have a look at YOUR front shall we?

BEEN THERE DONE THAT

Do you honestly think that YOUR little faction is any different from “THEIR” little faction?

BEEN THERE DONE THAT…AND YOU ARE A LITTLE LATE

Quite beautiful, the way that the TRUE and LIVING SPIRIT bitch slaps the REPLICAS.

some people have “de-friended” facebook stylee.

Sarah Stanga for the lolz.you still in “custody”?

The tangled webs.

dugpastanga

and you have the stupidity to talk about “guilt by association”??

such as this from your site.

Look who YOU mingle with..lolz

guiltyascharged

190 thoughts on “ALTERNATIVE RADIO SHOW HOST RANDY MAUGANS

  1. LOL Well, that’s what snakes do, I guess. They start eating eachother after a while.

    Kerry Cassidy is an actor who is in FULL knowledge of wrong doing, as is someone like mr. Randy Maugans. They are all actors in a game, although they take themselves probably quite seriously.
    There probably is nothing trustworthy or spontanious within the phenomenon called alternative media in its totality.
    Everybody with true good intentions should cut all ties with this snakepit called alternative media and truthmovement, and all the actors that are involved.

  2. The wide-ranging Truth/New Age movement isn’t ‘highjacked’ either, it is a PSYOP program from the very first moment.

    It’s a highway to hell, the alternative media and the Truth/New Age movement.

  3. Hijacked…the only thing that has been hijacked is peoples minds and attention listening to these liars, these fear mongers, actors and charlatans…. There is no difference between Randy Maugans and Kerry Cassidy, Jeff Rense or any other “alternative media” platform… There is no difference between David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow or any of the run off related to any of them. NONE.

    So what to do now? What are you people that weren’t aware of this gonna do now.

    Decision time.

  4. I meant ‘hijacked’, of course, not ‘highjacked’. LOL Stupid me.

    A number of these alleged victims and survivors of programs seem to gather around Randy Maugans now.
    Mainly from the group that not too long ago collectively appeared around the same time into the limelights of the alternative media and started blogs.

    I tend, or I am willing to believe that a few of these alleged victims and alleged insiders that show up on these alternative platforms like Camelot and Offplanet Radio may not realise they are used as part of a scam.

    So, yes, I think that everyone who has a true sincere heart and is somehow involved with this snakepit should think about this situation very seriously and very honestly, and make the right decision.

  5. the sideshow continues.. funny that Sarah Stanga has never made an attempt to set the record straight that we are not the same person…I am not she and she is not me…she could have done that months ago when she did her last podcast about the “truth movrement and prgrammers” ..so just to set the record straight AGAIN….we are not the same person, nor a clone, alter or anything else…she could have cleared this up MONTHS ago, but didn’t….infact she could have called FWH out on this and didn’t…carry on with your little PSYOP dugpa boys n girls…btw they all know I am not she and none of them have ever stated this fact…and they are ALL aware of this blog…

    http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/offplanet-radio-live-12-12-2012-commentary-with-duncan-ofini.html

  6. Sarah Stanga lives a comfortable life, as all of these alleged victims seem to do. Rich boy James Casbolt is another good example.
    I wonder what reward she has gotten for the role she has played during a couple of months.
    She seems to have disappeared now.

    The O’Finioans seem to try something similar as the Swerdlows; seminars, merchandising and such.

    Offplanet Radio and Wolf Spirit Radio are affiliated. It is the same network that also for instance the Swerdlows are part of. The Swerdlows have hurt, destroyed and exploited many people with their organised crime, so when you connect the dots …. things become more clear, I think.

  7. exactly…the wolf spirit radio off planet radio connection….and Randy maugans thinks he is going to get off scott free…(they might think that nobody reads this blog because a handful of people post here..but this blog is read Worldwide…so yeah..the world is watching you lot)

  8. Randy Maugans is affiliated with Wolf Spirit Radio as a host.
    We find Bill ‘white hat’ Brockbrader/Wood also as a host on Wolf Spirit Radio, as well as Rebecca Jernigan. The latter who is currently hopping around with none other than Kerry Cassidy and the Project Camelot crew in Egypt to celebrate the energies of December 21st or something…. calling themselves ‘lightwarriors’…lol … The Luciferian light of deceit.

    Bill Brockbrader/Wood gives me the impression, from his first interviews, that he might not realise that he is being used – he has sort of a patsy like aura – others, like Eva Moore, Sarah Stanga, Duncan O’Finioan, Randy Maugans, Kerry Cassidy and Hemmingson, are very well aware of their wrong doing.

    When you have someone like Stewart Swerdlow prominently in your ranks – a man who has destroyed many people’s lives and exploited and deceived many others – not much good can be expected anyway.

    This comment on clandestine rage comes probably from Eva Moore: LOL
    http://clandestineragerevealed.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/a-message-from-duncan-ofinioan-very-important/#comment-2115

  9. I couldn’t give two-shits about FaceBook. If somebody sends a friend request, I approve it. I’m trying to get information to the world in regards to what is happening to children. If king fucking reptilian wants to add me as a friend on FaceBook, I’ll approve it. Maybe king fucking reptilian would learn something anyhow. FaceBook is irrelevant, but some good can be done there. I don’t care who is a friend or sub on Facebook. I’m trying to survive and assist innocent children who are being slaughtered. FaceBook politics are irrelevant. I’M NOT GOING TO STUDY AND RESEARCH EVERY PERSON WHO SENDS A FRIEND REQUEST. I am not mad at Eva, nor do I have a personal problem with her. In the disclosure realm, arguments and disagreements will take place. Some of those disagreements will clear up and reconciling will take place. Sometimes permanent splits will happen. I do not live a comfortable live and I can assure you, Sarah Stanga does not live a comfortable life. Even today, I woke up with blood running down the back of my head from being gouged by something last night. Tough shit, the battles rages.Thank God for OffPlanetRadio and Wolf Spirit Radio.

    Approve this cock sucker, If you are man/woman enough.

    Khris
    Clandestine Rage Revealed

    • Shut up. You couldn’t give two shits about anything other than making a name for yourself by writing emotionally charged and wildly inaccurate articles about things you know nothing about. You obviously have not read this blog very well (other than knowing you were mentioned here) or you would know that you are no different from any of the rest of them. If you have to ask who, shut up again.

      A man, or whatever you are, is known by his deeds, not by the shouting of “save the children” on a burning playground. Put the computer down and go save one child. Have that be your reward, it’ll be so good you won’t feel the need to get the rest of us to wank you online for your good writing.

      “I couldn’t give two-shits about Face Book.” yet you take the time to irresponsibly friend anyone who asks and state that “some good can be done there.” Both sides of the mouth talk, another trait of the BS artist.

      You know what the sad part is? You probably believe the shit that comes out of your mouth and transfers to your keyboard, like all of ‘em. You think you are saving the planet and yet you couldn’t even figure your way out of a paper bag.

      “I’m trying to survive and assist innocent children who are being slaughtered.”

      With a BLOG. Cause that’s helpful! Maybe the big bad government will read it and know that their number is up. I mean, logically that makes sense, right? They managed to silence more than a million children (and their families) but they couldn’t get YOU, or Stew, or Preston?

      You sicken me, but I’ll say it again; if YOU are man enough, save a child and shut the fuck up.

  10. whoever you are and actualy I have to say I agree with 90 percent of what your saying ecept for kris neal and randy maugans and Duncan ofinian your spot right on with the rest randy maugans has been exposing Kerry Cassidy and asshole mike h former white hat he even exposed and told eva moore and ive heard she came to her senses but in regards to her that’s the only thing I disagree with randy on kris had the balls to research and finaly expose fwh and Duncan is on the side of good vs evil in my opinion your wrong on these 3 people Duncan is holding his seminars I truly belive to help the public at hat he charges 395 dollars for a weekend cmon man hes not getting rich so open up your eyes a little better.

    • I prefer to do the math. According to O’Finioan’s website it’s 350$. $350. X 50 people = $17,500
      Las Vegas: Sat. 1pm-6pm/ Sun 9am-6pm = 15hrs (not including breaks) That’s a hefty chunk of change for 15hrs work. Even if it was 25 people. $8,750 is still a good chunk of change for 15hrs of work.
      Thier blog is shut down but you can access pages through hitting cached. Google O’Finioan Marina Del Rey. It was reduced to $350, but if you scroll down the page, after the yellow line drawn you will find that the original plan was $500 per person, 50 person limit.
      I have left out their 1day charges. Las Vegas is $160 per person per day.

      Also, which one is it:

      Psychic Investigations:
      Our belief dictate that we only accept donations for our work.
      Consultation Services:
      We charge for our services because aside from our work being very specialized we believe strongly that there should be an energetic exchange whereby help is both given and received.

  11. Yes Khris it’s obvious that you don’t ” give two shits” about who you are publicly associated with.

    Your argument is full of non-sequitur BTW.

    Perhaps this isn’t the place to ask but since you seem to know Stanga please ask her why she hasn’t clarified that she and apurplepebble aren’t the same persona or body.

  12. Id be very interested on your thoughts about a couple of people doug dietrich and solaris blue raven if you have been following the ousting of fwh youll know why I ask

  13. Hi Tom,
    I try to keep my eyes and mind open.
    Regarding Randy Maugans; he has sort of exposed the individuals Kerry Cassidy and Hemmingson, yet he isn’t exposing the ‘INFORMATION’ Kerry Cassidy has produced and facilitated.Not a surprise to me, because he is producing and facilitating pretty much the exact same kind of ‘information’ as Kerry Cassidy has done. The ‘information’ – in effect bullshit – these outlets produce and facilitate is very identical.
    Kerry Cassidy is doing her ‘thing’ for a while now, so perhaps this exposé is all part of a shift from Project Camelot to Offplanet Radio and Wolf Spirit Radio.
    That game continues in a similar way on shows like Offplanet Radio and Wolf Spirit Radio.
    I would advise to look at the connections all these individuals have, and connect the dots for yourself also.
    I think that it is quite clear that all these characters and information are part of a collective: Swerdlows, Icke, Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan, Randy Maugans, Bill Wood, Sarah Stanga, Santos Bonacci, Anya Briggs, Jesse Ventura, Basiago, O’Finioans, GLP, Above Top Secret, New Age movement, Truthmovement, Alternative Media, David Wilcock, Project Camelot and Avalon, Miles Johnston, Rebecca Jernigan, Nexus Magazine, channelings and messages from ascended masters, angels, aliens, etcetera, etcetera…

    That seems to be the level of deceit we are dealing with here. I think it’s quite similar to David Icke recently calling David Wilcock a bullshitter because he channels an entity called ‘Ra’, yet David Icke himself channels an entity called ‘Ra(korski)’…
    Another example of this level of deceit seems to be Duncan Roads of Nexus Magazine who calls out Stewart Swerdlow as a complete fraud on Godlikeproductions(GLP), but meanwhile he has produced and facilitated reams and reams of conspiracy theory/New Age bullshit himself over the years with his Nexus magazine and network.

    Ra vs Rakorski … Maugans vs Cassidy … Duncan Roads vs Stewart Swerdlow.
    It’s the insider game of the acting snakes. There seems to be nothing spontanious or trustworthy in the entire subculture called Alternative Media and Truthmovement. It is a program, a PSYOP from the get go.
    I think that it is not a strange idea that it is really THIS wide-ranging movement that attempts to program the mass into the New World Order or New Age. THEY are in this case the Illuminati, not people like the Rothschilds.

    I don’t care whether someone like Duncan O’Finioan gets rich with his activities, or not.
    That’s not the point.

    …So after the dust of Randy Maugans’ and Khris’ exposé has come down again… in my estimation, the thing that will happen at most, is a taking out of the characters Kerry Cassidy and FWH/Hemmingson and the same game of deceit that Project Camelot played will continue on Offplanet Radio and Wolf Spirit Radio.
    Randy Maugans attempts to make a minor thing look very big.

    • “it is quite clear that all these characters and information are part of a collective:”

      I agree completely, which is the reason behind my somewhat angry reply above.

      All of these characters have very common characteristics which I know have been pointed out many times here but seem to be easily forgotten:

      1. Double-Talk; i.e. it’s okay for me but not okay for them.
      2. Distinct lack of any kind of real, tactile, tangible evidence.
      3. Distinct lack of action, other than writing and/or talking.
      4. Distinct lack of interference or hassling by authorities while claiming that the information they promote could get them killed.
      5. Heavy promotion of Gnostic values and philosophy.
      6. Inability to debate or argue. This one is VERY telling to me, ANY time one of these people gets asked a question that challenges their information, they immediately retreat and claim that they are being attacked, bullied, smeared, etc. They promote nearly insane ideas while offering no proof, ask you to abandon everything that you know for their version of knowing, and then mock you for asking them to live up to their own burden of proof.
      7. Promotion of Negativity as Positive, Love and Light, etc.
      8. Reporting wildly inaccurate things as fact, or as I like to call it, constantly pointing out the emperor’s new clothes.
      9. Complete and utter lack of humility.
      10. Nearly incestuous involvement and preoccupation with others of their ilk.

      I could title this list “How to Spot a Dugpa”.

  14. GLP is godlike productions. I don’t know anything about Solaris ? I do know that Douglas Deitrich appears on GLP on a regular basis. I don’t know that much about him but as far as guests on GLP they tend to scrape the bottom of the barrel at times.

    Sorry I don’t have much more on that.

    As for Randy Maugans, he also could have made a point about Sarah Stanga not being me, seeing as he interviewed her as well. According to him , he has never heard if me which is bullshit, seeing as he seems to be quite aware of Stanga being Mentioned on FWH blog..and if he was that thorough, he would have seen my posts on the FWH blog ..if he was reading it.

  15. http://www.dataasylum.com/bioapi-nanotech-implants.html

    For a wider understanding of plausible, probable and horrifying mind control of the mass of humanity – spend 15 minutes perusing this page AND THE REST OF THE SITE. I got this link from Khris of ClandestineRageRevealed’s excellent humanitarian site. I’ve only known him to be kind and compassionate to those who aren’t trying to mess with other people.

    Most of us here understand that the whole population has been mind controlled. Some people like Khris and Sarah Stanga, Randy Maurgans and Duncan O’Finioan have had appalling ‘special treatment’ which should also illicit some compassion from us. There are a whole host of others many of whom we talk about here. When a poor soul has been traumatized since birth – split into alters – electroshocked, drugged, implanted with tech, bagged, tagged, screwed and tatooed how they can even stand upright through the scars and pain and speak out at all. And after having gone through all of that – why be so tough on each other? How does one function and move forward when suicide would be the logical and quick solution? THEY FIGHT BY EXPOSING THE SORDID DETAILS OF THEIR LIVES IN HOPES THAT BY DOING SO IT WON’T BE TO LATE for humanity.

    Who are WE to judge their electroshock-shattered souls? How do we accurately determine who’s cognizant of choosing the furthering of the dark agenda when that’s what they’ve been conditioned into from the start? It’s absurd. I encourage us all to look at THE TOTALITY OF THE SITUATION from the demonic influences to ETs/EDs to the ~ GRAND f’n ERROR itself off of the GRAND f’n PUBA ~ (who is certainly NOT blameless in this situation – if one needs someone to judge and blame. BRING IT ON BABY…jest BRING IT RIGHT TO THE SMELLY FEET of the BIG GUY! Hell yeah!!! Here’s a few to get the juices of righteous indignation flowing towards the proper channel. i.e. 1) SOURCE, what the f*ck idea did you have abandoning us to this hopeless sh*t for as long as you did without any anesthesia? HUH? Oh, I could go on and on but I digress…lol. (Post 13).

    http://hyperspacecafe.com/showthread.php?tid=8501&page=2

    Mighten it be best instead to understand what led up to this…and how future generations – if there are any- won’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting out of this iron-clad nano-trap? Shouldn’t we see that we haven’t probably had an original THOUGHT either in our entire lives and have seen done and said things that were no full expressions of spirit BECAUSE of the fact that we’ve been limited by our very bodies and minds that were specifically designed to be ‘spirit cages’ for those who have original source material left in our hearts.

    Many specifically programmed choose to speak out as a form of healing and maybe because…oh, let’s see…IT THE RIGHT G*D D*MN THING TO DO!!! They’re trying to bring info. from behind the black alter to the rest of the mind controlled asleep population. It’s a thankless job ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS THE THANKS THEY GET. Nobody’s getting rich from this…a couple handlers maybe…THE HANDLERS ARE MIND CONTROLLED TOO!

    Warren, you jump someone’s sh*t like that again and I’ll start calling you, Walter! Who says writing a blog and influencing minds isn’t the better use of one’s time at this point?

    ~Now why is it that I’m having to explain this to people who should already understand?~

    Are perhaps (((~~WE~~))) being activated ourselves to ‘take no prisoners’? To provide “NO QUARTER” …cue Led Zeppelin. Pointing out the disinfo industry monkey business is good but taking part in a witch hunt sans trial is not.

    Loud mouth that I am, I include myself in this lecture..sitting in a chair facing into the corner. I’ll stop now by leaving a link to Bohemian Rhapsody (Freddy eloquently singing a heartwrenching and true tale of the corruption of his soul that was now in service to the dark forces.) He lost his innocence, “Mama…I killed a man…put a gun right to his head…pulled a trigger now he’s dead.” “Nothing really Matters” is what you’d tell yourself when you’ve alienated oneself from oneself and from the divine connection. David Bowie…he’s another one. This post is already too long but trying to understand HOW people get corrupted is a topic to explore I think.

    • “For a wider understanding of plausible, probable and horrifying mind control of the mass of humanity – spend 15 minutes perusing this page AND THE REST OF THE SITE.”

      So I did. In an effort to be fair I actually spent twice that amount of time perusing, and during that time I came to a conclusion; Elizabeth, you see what you want to see and color the world around you to fit the narrative that you have chosen.
      I saw a website, poorly written by someone, with wild, provocative claims about mind control whose only source seems to be Hollywood movies. You see some hidden truth between the folds of the emperor’s invisible waistcoat. What’s next?

      In the novel, Don Quixote fights windmills that he imagines to be giants. Quixote sees the windmill blades as the giant’s arms, for instance.
      “Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, “Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless.”

      “What giants?” asked Sancho Panza.

      “Those you see over there,” replied his master, “with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length.”
      “Take care, sir,” cried Sancho. “Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone.”

      Seeing the truth in everything is impossible if your vision is colored with an agenda. If it’s monsters you’re looking for, and that’s all you’ll be satisfied with, then it’s monsters you’ll find. Doesn’t matter if they’re toasters, you’ll figure out a way to make it true.

      So… good luck to you, keep your lance tight, but not TOO tight:

      “Uttering these words he clapped spurs to Rosenantes, his steed, without heeding the cries of his squire Sancho who warned him that he was not going to attack giants but windmills. But so convinced was he that they were giants that he neither heard his squire’s shouts nor did he notice what they were though he was very near them.”

    • “who says writing a blog & influencing minds isn’t the better of ones time”

      I am close to someone whose mind was influenced by blogs, etc. Began believing they had been mind-controlled by the govt. It becomes a much easier, believe or not, stance to take than reliving the memories of incest, and finding healing and support. Five yr set-back in appropriate treatment. From my perspective those blogs can very dangerous to a victims mind.

  16. Elizabeth, I haven’t seen any compassion from anyone you mention to be honest. Maybe the people mentioned can get together and direct their compassion towards the programmers and handlers themselves. Maybe these people should first off start with FWH, he seems to need it more than anyone else, that would be a start. Instead all I have seen is veiled and blatant threats between all of them. Whether those are even real or not is another question. I have seen the threats from both corners. So, why doesn’t everyone who has been a target just forgive FWH then, offer him compassion and healing or whatever and see where that goes. That would be a REAL start. But no, nobody has done that.

    Maybe you are in a better place and better able to get that ball rolling.

    If the individuals mentioned are that connected to source or whatever, that would be the right thing to do. But I haven’t seen it. Some of them dont have the capability to clear up derision of their own making, by tapping on a keyboard..I ask for something simple to be cleared up and am met with silence. Which speaks volumes to me.

    And you think I should spend my compassion on people that ultimately don’t give a fuck and continue to keep the waters muddy?

    I haven’t put anyone on trial btw, what I have done is point out the monkey business, the monkeys and the mischief, some of which could be cleared up fairly easily… Why aren’t you calling out anyone else who has made FWH a target of their witch hunt. Thats not or hasnt been a witch hunt?

    • sumner do you think this guy is coinintel or a straight shooter

      On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, DUGPAS AND THEIR ROLE wrote:

      > ** > Mercy Now commented: “FTR..I don’t believe the whole population is mind > controlled. says.” >

  17. My clarification was in response to Elizabeth’s statement above….”Most of us here understand that the whole population has been mind controlled. ”

    I usually have to attend the keyboard with a grandbaby on my lap grabbing at the keys.Thus the typos such as “says”.

    Who is sumner?

  18. Anyone who has taken enough acid to end up in an institution to then get EST might not necessarily have an agenda… If anything though, he should maybe bring more attention to the damage that LSD and other hallucinogens do. To continue to in one way or another tout for psychedelics i.e calling a fund raiser a Psychedelic Ice Cream show or whatever is misleading. If he was bringing attention to both, that would be different. His focus seems to be more on EST than the LSD or whatever that put him there in the first place.

    IMO neither hallucinogens or EST do any good.

    if that is who you mean.

  19. “Elizabeth, you see what you want to see and color the world around you to fit the narrative that you have chosen” (Warren).

    Warren, everyone does this…e v e r y o n e… including you. lol. As long as we are not of hive mind…and have minds…we will make sense of the world…color our worlds to fit our own inner narrative. I was responding to the arrogance and smug-certainty tenor on the blog which imo detracts from the very insightful work that gets done here. I also don’t personally feel that guilt by association necessarily tells the whole story and is reliable. The FWH is in an entirely different (low) category than Khris or Duncan for instance imo.

    And it’s not that I don’t appreciate some sparring, spoofing and repartee as it is one of the the only weapons available to us…especially when we contemplate the resources and backup of the skewees.

    While it’s clear, Warren, that we have opposite perspectives on most of this material which is fine and dandy… I don’t consider myself to be tilting at windmills, however. I realize that the “proof” that you speak of – that would satisfy a ‘mainstream scientific consensus base standard’ for proof would be hard if not impossible to come by for a number of reasons. 1) Lack of access to DUMBS, crime scenes, vital documents, etc. and just the investigation of the subject matter surrounding the nature of reality and the ‘purveyers of dfferent POV in this arena does require a certain level of ‘suspended misbelief’ trust or faith. One of the big tools discernment seems to be gut reaction or intuition. It seems clear to me that one person’s negative gut reaction to a person is not necessarily shared by another.

    Tom Montalk does an excellent job delineating various ways of discerning truth. It’s also true that THEREFORE these same purveyors of this information should be squeeky clean and we find that they aren’t. We’re dealing with damaged people of course and I think it’s still a good idea to treat each as an individual and respectfully as much as we can. That person might not be aware that they’re working for a darker agenda.

    http://montalk.net/alien/147/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-3

    I would agree with many points on your list applying to most Dugpas. Not Khris imo. There’s a difference between reporting negativity for its own sake as opposed to revealing what is truly a hideous, negative situation all but hidden from view. Also, writing on a blog and exposing the dirty dealings as well as supporting others in the same boat IS doing something constructive…we’re doing it here in fact.

    PurplePebble it’s certainly not right that no one set the “confused” identities straight for the record. It’s also important and unique work you’re doing.

    MN, I assumed it was common knowledge that the whole human population is electromagnetically mind- controlled-targeted. Some people seem to be able to override or resist it better than others.

    • Warren, everyone does this…e v e r y o n e… including you. lol. As long as we are not of hive mind…and have minds…we will make sense of the world…color our worlds to fit our own inner narrative.

      No, I don’t. I’m honest and have a very real understanding that the world does not revolve around me and that my experience does not include everyone in the world. I give them the freedom to experience and react to things in their own way and demand nothing from them. I do however demand a lot from myself. I believe that I have a personal responsibility to take care of myself and those who count on me, and in doing that I must be VERY careful who I trust, and who I allow in.
      I am not opened minded and I am not closed minded, neither of those work; I am active minded, constantly discerning, thinking, judging. I am the owner of my mind and my thoughts and vigilantly defend both from attack. That is what thinking people do and that is why there is no ONE solution. When I ask for proof, you mock me as if I need some bleached white lab coated Monsanto agent to tell me in a state sponsored video that it’s okay to eat the soilent green. That is ridiculous. I’m merely asking for evidence; something, anything more than just a claim that they have seen the emperor’s clothes and that they are, in fact, very nice.

      I am not going to listen to anyone who claims that they know anything when they cannot offer any evidence that what they are saying is true.

      I don’t assume, you do. That is what makes us different. If you could offer me a preponderance of evidence tomorrow that proves me wrong and you and all these other people right, I would accept it without blinking and champion the cause. It just isn’t there. Most people in the world are not mind controlled, as far as I have seen. They just believe that they can’t trust themselves… and that’s bullshit.

      If you want to help, educate people to rely on their minds, their wits, and their own self confidence. That is the only thing that will save any of us.

      And it starts at home.

    • By the way, there is a right and wrong. It’s not just two sides of the same coin. There is a path, it just happens to be different for everyone. Anyone who tells you that they know yours is full of shit.

    • “MN, I assumed it was common knowledge that the whole human population is electromagnetically mind- controlled-targeted. ”

      Why do you assume that ?

  20. My opinion is that everyone who is playing a role in the truth/new agemovement and isn’t aware of the most probable fact that this truth/new age movement is a program and a psyop form the very first moment, is adding to the problem, part of the problem and ‘feeding the beast’. That is how I look at it at the moment.

    Saving the children, one million children missing in the EU every year, children are slaughtered and raped underground…. Well, these claims cannot really be substantiated and that number of a million missing children every year in the EU is just impossible…outrageous.
    What did Miranda Kelley say recently… if you are aware of children being slaughtered and such and you do nothing, you add karma…. well that is hijacking people’s emotions and mind. That is not beneficial. Besides, I think these claims of children being slaughtered and such are at least questionable. We don’t see it, that is for sure.
    SO, what are these people doing? They are ‘feeding the beast’ with their stories and deeds, in my estimation. Like Alex Jones does, like David Icke does, like the Swerdlows do.
    I have seen that you cannot make people more mad then with stories about child abuse. That is an easy trigger to get people outraged and upset, I have noticed. ‘Nazi’s’ is another good trigger in this.

    People should realise that this truthmovement and awakening and exposing is part of the game; it is a program instigated by evil!
    If they don’t realise this, they are part of the problem, in my estimation. Good intentions don’t neutralise this, I think.

    A good example of hijacking people’s emotions is the Hollie Greig pedophile case. A big case extensively described by people like David Icke. Well, it appears that it is a totally fabricated story, where people have been wrongly accused of beings pedophiles and such; a total scam.
    http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/
    …so what is real and what is not real…what is true and what is not true?? Is all that information trustworthy?

    Is someone like Sarah Stanga a true victim of certain programs or is she just acting she is? Somewhere in between? When I look at that case then I feel, see and sense that there are things not right with that person, her contacts and story. Actors or perhaps programmed to play these roles. Fooled maybe, manipulated?
    Things are just not right with these people, in my estimation. There are several things that are questionable and suspicious, I think.

    Khris is possibly someone who is a real victim of a certain program. He strikes me as sincere and decent in what he does, the only one of that group BTW, but that doesn’t negate the possibility that he could also be part of a scam, unbeknownst to him. I do see he is part of a network, that for instance also facilitates the Swerdlows who are widely known as criminals, reprogrammers and New Age programmers.
    But yes, in the end all these people are also victims of manipulations, mind control, delusions, damaged and/or perverted.
    Judging them doesn’t solve anything, better is to express as a witness and observer.

    So, I repeat, in my estimation, it is absolutely essential to start realising that the wide-ranging truthmovement and alternative media is a program instigated by evil.
    Of course, the information is given by means of sandwiches of lies, confusion, mind-boggle and half truths; rabbitholes, energysucking, mind fucking.
    All this type of ‘awakening’, ‘disclosure’, revolution and exposing is part of the agenda. People should realise that, I think.

    • Khris…., he seems to think I am a troll according to his blog…anyone who has read this blog, and has ended up contributing to this blog over the past however many months as well as at the cafe ….who communicates with Khris, might have a better idea than he does….and might set him straight.. I’m sorry, but this blog has opened quite a few people’s eyes with the information that is here…I give you lot more credit than to let a troll bamboozle you.

      That troll being me.

      • Calling you a troll sounds very far out, purple pebble.
        That is a typical qualification for people who express contrasting and critical ideas on alternative media outlets. People who question, refute and expose that information usually are called ‘trolls’ or ‘government trolls’ by forumsheeple who are hypnotised and programmed by alternative machineries.
        People who do their objective research know that things are very off in this sinister machinery called alternative media and Truth/New Age movement.

  21. The biggest problem with the tenor of this blog is that the desire for a solution, for hope, for better times ahead, for a better place isn’t satisfied, rather the opposite.
    Where is the solution in all this shit? Where is the way out, where is the truth?

    Perhaps in the end it gives more comfort to dance and sing with David Icke, to inner circle and travel with the Swerdlows, to bullhorn with Alex Jones, to awake and aware with Project Camelot, to awake and aware with Wolf Spirit Radio.
    But I don’t believe all these people, all that information. NONE of it, It is all the same, so I can’t fool myself.

    What is the difference between the Swerdlows and Wolf Spirit Radio/Offplanet radio?? What is the difference between Icke and the Swerdlows??
    What is the difference between Icke and Wilcock, what is the difference between Maugans and Cassidy?
    What is the difference between all of them?

    Randy Maugans and alleged victims like Stanga and O’Finioan that advertise known reprogrammers and New Age programmers like the Swerdlows? What is going on here??
    Stewart Swerdlow most probably made up his entire history as well!! Meanwhile he plays the victim, constantly, but programs his audience that they have created the mess themselves… victimisation mentality and such .. He is a full-time actor.

    Well, I don’t take this bullshit, this nonsense anymore. If people want to believe in all this bullshit, I cannot stop them. It is all part of leading the mass into the New Age/New World Order. It is an evil program.

    I think I am going to read and study the bible. There is more truth in that book than in all this so-called Truthmovement all together.
    And praying to Jesus… that is what I am going to do, I think.

    • wow im startin to think the sae thing this is starting to look like a rehearsed play people bashing people with the most hideous innuendos and bullshit and all that’s done half the people being insulted well realy only one says forget it I bring up the question no vulgarity no going crazy I get unfriende then im told by the others that they’ve changed their tune yep I think the last guy that posted is right

  22. The thought that the blog does not appear to offer solutions, crosses my mind often. I am aware of that how is how it might seem. I don’t think that at this point, there is one ultimate solution that is going to be an immediate fix all, that is a process in the working I think. The first step is to realize the shennanigans of the truth movement and new age and that it is a program put in place to futher distract and suck energy, and that it is a mindfuck when observed as a whole.

    This at least should give someone who has spent their energy on this an opportunity to unplug from it …to stop feeding the beast while oftentimes paying for it at the same time. Some of them are all off on their vacations in Egypt or wherever else….paid for by those who have put their trust in something that is not trustworthy and ultimately is a program.

    That’s a start IMO. A small step, but a start.

    Personally, that is one little solution has worked for me. To unplug from it, that is where people, as individuals need to start. That is the beginning. I don’t think there is any convincing the programmers and handlers in the field, that they are infact part of a program. that would mean some major upheavals for them personally such as what has been the source if their income and lifestyles etc..and what it is they have played a part in.

    Universal knowledge is universal, it’s “in there” somewhere, it doesn’t cost anything.

    But while there are still obstacles and traps set up to hinder or redirect / channel people’s birthright, their connection to God, the healing process will be hindered.

    I am not here to interfere with a persons connection to source, god or whatever name is given. That is criminal.

    In all hopes what this blog might be able to help with, is to point out the interference so that people have a chance of at least giving themselves that chance to experience life without some dugpa leeching off of their source.

    To be dugpa-free is a step in the right direction, not an ultimate solution, but a step. When you do it, you will know it.

    Jesus Christ knew how to decipher the spirits, the dugpas…and was able to throw them off his back like an old coat.

  23. I agree.Unplug and do your own thorough research.
    I’d rather be skeptical than gullible.

    Jesus knew that there were/are forces waiting for an opening to infect and poison the hearts and minds of man.

    He also knew how those openings could be made and gave us guidelines to avoid such .

    He was awesome.

  24. I think im gonna get away from the bullsjit this recent commotion ill call it opened my eyes I even had a very reputable person in the conspiracy field email me and tell me the same thing there all on the same team why is former white hat still on revolution why did the biggest victims of his insults and innuendos not go and tell him to go kill himself why and why do the other victims of his gross insults not do jack squat ill tell u why that person said to me it realy sobered me up to the situation.

  25. “Look not mournfully into the past, it comes not back again. Wisely improve the present, it is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy future without fear and with a manly heart.”

  26. LOL now I know where the arrogance and smugness comes from! (((JESUS CHRIST))) ;-) Merry Christmas!

    We could fill the Vatican library with the dis-information on that particular creation – perhaps fiction – maybe avatar. Well, everybody has a bias so thanks for revealing yours!

  27. I agree with you purple pebble, unplugging from all these psyop games is necessary if you want any type of solution. There is something for everyone in that movement, but it is ALL feeding the same beast.
    Don’t let your mind and emotions being hijacked by dubious and questionable messengers and prophets with dubious and questionable sources and backgrounds, with dubious and questionable information, with dubious and questionable contacts.

    IMO, it is quite clear that if you are into Wolf Spirit Radio/Offplanet radio, you are also into the Swerdlows, into Icke, into Project Camelot, into all of this New Age program.
    It is quite clear to me that it is all about leading and luring the sheeple into the New Age/New World Order, and about feeding the beast.

    This might be an interesting view point on the alternative media, from a Dutch perspective. I know this person a little:

    • “IMO, it is quite clear that if you are into Wolf Spirit Radio/Offplanet radio, you are also into the Swerdlows, into Icke, into Project Camelot, into all of this New Age program.
      It is quite clear to me that it is all about leading and luring the sheeple into the New Age/New World Order, and about feeding the beast.”

      I agree with this, Martijn. It is simple to see others that are doing the same; they use the same tactics, the same language and “trigger” or “buzz” words and all seem to lack any type of evidence that isn’t just them talking.

      And in the case of those who might not be diabolical in nature but whose ideas are in the same vein; if one know that 90%, (or more) of the people who promote those same ideas are of ill will, one has to assume that they are too.

      If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog and poops in your garden, chances are what you’ve got on your hands is not a fish. Even if the pet store told you it was.

      Thanks for all your insights and, Zalig Kerstfeest en Gelukkig Nieuwjaar!

      • Thanks Warren! You sound like the pope when he tries to speak Dutch though! lol ;-)
        Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar to everyone!

        BTW, that interview I posted above ties in quite nicely with the discussion here I think.

  28. merry Christmas to everybody here this blog opened my eyes in a lot of ways thanks I will not be wasting my energies on a bunch of idiots

  29. Hey Martijn, I listened to the interview and Frances did a great job expressing his experience and observations. I dont think Freedom Central Radio is any different from other alternative media platforms, seeing as they have had people like Icke and a few others when it suited them..hopefully they are not using Frances in an attempt to separate themselves from the alt media network….seems like it though… It is also good to know that other countries have their own versions of people like Alex Jones etc.

    Well worth listening to though in regards to what Frances had to say..thanks for posting it.

  30. Martijn,
    Yes, I think the Pope is much better at German than Dutch! I’m terrible at both, so let me try in my native tongue; Hope you had a Happy Christmas and here’s to a wonderful New Year’s… better?

    The video was insightful and I liked the information but the interviewer seemed to use a lot of the “buzz words” that are a red flag to me… thoughts?

  31. I would recommend listening to that interview with Francis to anyone who is interested in the truth.

    I personally didn’t hear anything that struck me as a red flag in this particular interview.
    Freedom Central did interview several dubious characters like David Icke.
    That woman, Mel Ve, seems to ask some more valid questions lately in regard to the truthmovement and alternative media, certainly also in regard to David Icke, so perhaps that woman and channel is in a certain process of change to some extent.

    Anyhow, this interview is very worth listening to, I think. Francis, amongst other, draws the conclusion that the alternative media MUST be a psyop, and substantiates his conclusion quite well I think. I have to agree with him. I know that what he talks about is very valid.
    Especially in the first full hour or 1:10 he addresses several interesting and pithy subjects in regard with the alternative media and their mechanisms.

    The alternative media offer you a problem (valid or not), provoke a reaction, but there is no solution.

    BTW, Warren, I like your pope sound better. lol

      • Hi Tom,

        It’s posted above by Martijn dated December 23rd..the video thats posted…hope you can see it. If not maybe Martijn can repost a link.

        Oh and a belated Happy Christmas (to everyone ) :0)

    • “BTW, Warren, I like your pope sound better. lol”

      Ha, Ha! I will have to perfect my Latin and German then!

      “The alternative media offer you a problem (valid or not), provoke a reaction, but there is no solution.”

      You hit the nail near the head but missed slightly, you can leave out “alternative” and just go with “the MEDIA” in general.
      They only report doom and gloom, all of them, there’s never anything good, at least where I live. And the fact of the matter is that the doom and gloom they report isn’t true. Case in point, this article from the Spectator: “Why 2012 was the best year ever”
      http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/8789981/glad-tidings/

      While I don’t agree with everything said in the article (they seem to tout globalization a bit too much), Why is it that things like this are never, ever reported by ANY media outlet, Ever? They all spin things a very certain way because you are much easier to control if you’re down, or at least if you believe that everyone else is…

      I don’t believe it, because that to me is the definition of a Dugpa. They live off of the emotional pain, suffering, torture and conflict that we are very good at producing. (David Lynch called it “garmonbozia”) If there isn’t enough of it around, they have to create it, even if it means playing on those well-intended emotions with false reports that everyone is in pain and then creating an unreality with their lies.

      That to me is the meaning of the “human battery” in the Matrix movie. There is no light and love in a cult that worships, promotes and falsely reports the death and ineffective nature of that which makes us what we are.

      There is no “cult” of life; it’s our nature to live and promote that which keeps us alive. Cults are only formed around things that are unnatural to our existence.

      • The truth movement/new age players gets around these things by calling themselves a community, which is a play on words.

        I was thinking about what Elizabeth said about people coming out and talking about their experiences because it is the right thing to do etc…there is an entire fleet of people who have come forward and spoken about their experiences with Swerdlow for instance, who have been intentionally ignored by the alternative media.
        When you start to look into why this might be so, it is fairly easy to figure out why this issue has never been addressed (across the board) with those involved in the alternative media … It is because those involved in one way or another want to continue to perpetuate the lie and only give a platform to those whose job it is to continue the agenda. A lot of those involved in the network have either had him on their shows or have ties to him on some level. It is not a community, it is a cult and like most, if not all cults, you got to drink the kool aid.

        Fairly easy to spot those who like drinking it and are drunk on it once you stop drinking it yourself. But then what happens if you decide to not drink it? I will tell you, you have to face the fact that you have been bamboozled by those you foolishly placed your trust in…which is nothing to be ashamed of.
        But, if you keep returning to drink from the well because the movement in question portrays a sense of community, which is ultimately very selective and exclusive, it isn’t inclusive (therefore it is not a community, it is a club for those who drink the kool aid) you only have yourself to blame.

      • Well, 2012 might be the best year ever, but I’d like to put things in perspective and like to measure things according to my own standards. Then I will have to conclude that this place, this world, has been an exploitative, unjustice hell for a very long time, and still very much is!

        I think that if people don’t die, this whole construct cannot be managed anymore, so people will always have to die in this construct. If everyone lived for a very long time, and at the same time keeps on procreating, this place would be overpopulated and unable to be properly managed anymore very soon.
        That is what happens when things go round in cycles. Things come and go, people come and go, but it is all transient in this place. Here today, gone tomorrow. I am personally not happy with such a mechanism, nor am I happy that I am a cog in a wheel and subjected to cycles in this mechanism. I want to be free and I don’t want to be dependent on others.
        Everything in this place is contained in programmed cycles and sequences; lifeforms, the seasons, time, the celestial bodies… everything. It is all functioning on programming, right?
        I personally don’t like that, and prefer a place where it isn’t functioning that way.
        This place is going round in circles and I have never come across a clear purpose!

        The spectator-article doesn’t comfort me very much personally, although I absolutely agree that the media in general, all sides of the coin, often put a very negative and incorrect message and image on the general public in order to very much keep us in a down state. This world would be better off when all these doom and gloom stories would make place for more uplifting, sincere and truthful information. That would e.g. put pressure off of the ratrace and treadmill we are all, one way or the other, subjected to or part of.
        I mean, what the fuck are people doing?!?! I think everyone should take a step back and look at and think about what they are all doing. But people are so afraid, and so conditioned and deteriorated. I’m not even mentioning the possibility that certain people just do their thing because they are part of the evil program. Some don’t seem to have any empathy or a feeling conscious at all.
        Anyway, the slaves are constantly whipped to work hard and harder, scared by stories about crises, economising, downfalls etcetera, for instance.

        But, how can this place we find ourselves now ever become a true paradise, or a good and just place?
        How is that technically possible? That is what I am wondering. I don’t like the mechanism of being born, then to deteriorate and then to die, for example. My whole being shouts that this is not natural!
        We are caught in a vicious cycle that also includes the evil mechanism of reincarnation.
        Deterioration happens because the things that deteriorate are subjected to parasites. The life spirit is extracted, fed off by parasites; ‘human batteries’. That is the only sane conclusion I can think of.
        It is not natural, although this construct seems to give the impression that it is just natural and just how things go. That is an evil lie.
        When I look at a baby or toddler I see and feel life, when I look at an elderly person I see something substantially different. What happens in between? Are the ‘human batteries’ sucked dry by parasites, perhaps?

        I very much prefer a place that has significantly different fundamentals than this place. No programming, no cycles, no cog wheels, not the boundaries the physical body seems to involve, in effect the boundaries of everything this physical reality seems to involve.

        No, I am really not happy with the fundamentals and mechanisms of this placely construct. It seems to be an easy playground for forces of evil.
        But, who knows, if/when everything is solved and healed, this world would become a pleasant and just place for everyone. (?)

  32. “But, who knows, if/when everything is solved and healed, this world would become a pleasant and just place for everyone” (Martijn).

    Wouldn’t we wish that were true ;-) but as you already know the predator/predation cycles as well as the built-in, transitory cycles of decay were HERE FROM THE GET-GO in this puss-filled absess designed by “crack” parents i.e. Archons. “Creator” gOdS who alternately burn their sproglings with cigarettes AND dress them up to show them off…who narcissistically NEED to be worshipped, NEED the hormones from our blood extracted through live human sacrifice, the LOOSH – GARMANBOZIA fuel from never ending tragedys (like SandyHook two weeks ago). ~ It’s true that nothing will be solved by hooking our heads in the sand. ~ hence the need for the important warnings contained in this blog.

    Purple Pebble, (and posters) your important research exposes the great depths of deceipt of many alternative instructors (who are mostly deceived/misled themselves by entities of evil – Horus Ra as an example). It’s a vital – if sometimes unpopular – message intended for the public to be discriminating about the source of their information. There’s no getting around the fact that many mouthpieces are serving a dark master. Some ARE NOT intentionally and are misguided or are being fed “off” info. – voices. Some just don’t go far enough, are holding back info. or are just making an error due to limited perception. Some, are mostly telling it like it is and we just can’t see it but It’s easy to see how this has come about on ‘planet deception’. Still, there’s a minefield of information to be mined that could take a lifetime.

    A great read written by ‘non famous researchers within the field’ is this discussion thread on the Avalon Forum (Posts from Observer and JustOneMan in particular) are well articulated and in line with much of the discussion on this blog. Especially post #’s: 2402, 2403, 2404, 2405, 2411. Let’s take the discussion to new levels of awareness in 2013.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit/page121

    • Hi Elizabeth…Happy New Year

      I hope some of the posters at the Avalon forum find this blog… if they havent already.

      I am looking forward to another year of being Dugpa Free. Life gets increasingly better without their um .. bullshit :o)

    • “It’s a vital – if sometimes unpopular – message intended for the public to be discriminating about the source of their information. There’s no getting around the fact that many mouthpieces are serving a dark master.”

      Well said, but do you take your own advice when it comes to the discrimination of the sources of your information? You seem to trust those who spout the same vitriolic, self loathing ideas that (for some reason) give you comfort, but if people like me who believe that life is a gift and a blessing and well worth living challenge you and say “where’s your proof?”, you mock us; we are dismissed as village idiots from the dark ages who have no clue of what’s REALLY happening in the world that we live in. You make it sound as if having any evidence to back up your assertion is ridiculous; well I guess it is if you believe the completely unsustainable paradox that everything you experience is a lie, a construct, or a preconceived matrix. Facts!?!? That’s what THEY want you to believe! It’s damn convenient to convince someone that there cannot be any concrete proof because the world they live in is just a make-believe construct by the powers that be to keep us controlled. At that point you’ll just keep swigging that kool-aid with no thought that they may have just made it up. LOL!
      I guess what really pisses me off is that there are a lot of really good people out there; very smart, good hearted, well meaning, hard working people- that don’t buy the crap coming from the mainstream media or what their senators tell them. They need something more. They are hungry for truth, maybe a little gullible, maybe somewhat innocent. And when they begin their search, they inevitably end up at the more “popular” “alternative media” websites, (Expansions, David Icke, Alex Jones, Project Whatever) where no truth exists, just endless cash-lined rabbit holes that go on and on like some kind of sick and twisted theme park. They are lied to, indoctrinated, raped (in some cases), mentally tortured and subjected to the same hell that you so vehemently denounce (when it isn’t your chosen one of the moment). They are preyed upon in a way that sickens me to my core. Yet, some make it back out because they eventually realise what they are dealing with. Some just replace one cult leader for another when the beatings stop making sense. The last group never fully unplugs so they can look out the window and see the wonder of the world around them. They have replaced that wonder with a slave’s view of the world; it’s controlled by monster’s anyway so why try? The people who perpetrate these acts of mental violence need to be stopped, but the irresponsible people who repeat their hateful messages are just as responsible for the damage that they create by assisting in the indoctrination of the people I mentioned above.

      (Weren’t you one of those people at one point?)

      They are ALL the same. They ALL use the same tactics. They are ALL dugpas. They feed off of the loathing, hatred, pain, suffering, torture, doubt and guilt that you so wantonly produce for them under their guidance. You die, a little bit at a time, so they can thrive.

      So here’s MY unpopular message:

      Life is good unless you’re a coward who can’t handle the God-given talent to understand it, create it, and love it for what it is. Take control of it and make it to your liking. Respect your fellow human beings and give thanks to God for the experience. You have all the resources of the world at your back and all you do is complain that everything is BS, pre-programmed and preordained. Best excuse in the world to do nothing.

      And in case you were wondering, yes, I do. And he’s never let me down.

      • warren again yes I was one of those people who thought the sites u mentioned were the good guys till wisdom and guys like u or gals cause I don’t know who u are brought out the truth I agree with 99 percent of what u say but after my research and yes I research for myself im not a yes man I don’t follow the leader I lead I think maugans is ok but you know what forget him for a minute im surprised an astute person like u havnt uncovered a big piece of garbage on the circuit in fact its a she and after my experiences and the experiences of others uses the love and light as a front .

      • Warren, Thank you for expressing your relationship with God. I’m trying to reconcile a lost relationship with God. It’s a tough one for me. I am convinced that the reptile eye I saw (comment further down) is what has been referred to in the scriptures as the dragon. I have read that others have seen black eyes. I have not. Yet this would seem to be referenced as a demon in the scriptures. What has been grueling for me is that he’s let me down. Alot. (I’m not speaking from being a wimp here) What I’ve been doing is researching myself and my past. Also, I have been of late researching missing links in the scriptures and history. It’s a swamp of a mess. One that I was about to throw the towel in with it. You encouraged me by your post to continue. Thanks.

  33. lol Elizabeth, crack parents… well if I was a god of some world, I wouldn’t tolerate the suffering and injustice, so that makes me wonder who is supervising this world … Ra-korski and friends?

    There is a lot of (purposeful) rubbish and bullshit circulating on the interwebs. However, I think it cannot be shut out that, here and there in all the amounts of information, some valuable and valid information can be found also.
    Closing yourself off too much also leads to nowhere or will work against you in some way, in my estimation.
    I think that when you only focus on things that are not part of the solution, there is a possible danger that the things that could be part of an actual solution could also be lost out of sight.

    Bill Ryan himself produced and facilitated an amazing amount of Billshit (pun intended). He must have no shame also, looking e.g. at the blatant actors and bullshitters he has facilitated.

    • I cant belive the shit u guys here are unvovering I agree with all u said except randy maugans everyone u guys outed randy has outed the same people I just cant agree with u on him I never met him but I think u guys are wrong about him hes one of the good guys

  34. Tom, It is difficult to separate Randy Maugans from the crowd when he is affiliated with some of them in one way or another. If he is aware of let say the amount of people who have had less than favorable experiences with certain people, why would he turn a blind eye on that.

    Edited to add…which he has and will continue to do I am sure..maybe for comfort zone reasons..who knows..who cares..

    There are certain people whose job it is to keep people roped in to the program, these puppet masters are skilled manipulators and liars, they deceive others by keeping one foot in the rabbit hole and one foot out and they will use love and light banter, thought control and freedom of speech control to get the job done. I am not saying Randy Maugans is one of these people, but I would not be surprised if there are one or two in the background yanking his chain on some level if he is as good of a person as you say (he might see through it)I am willing to give him that much.

    In his email he clearly drew the line as to where he stands, so he can shove that up his ass, which is what he told me to do with this blog.

    Oh and I forgot to mention that he also seems to think I am semi illiterate…lmao…which has nothing to do with being universally fluent in all languages in being able to spot bullshitters and bullshit.

    • ok I hear you im gonna keep my eyes open all around like I said u guys are great I m with what u say 99 percent of the time hey there was a guy from the uk on late night in the midlands last night his name was steve budge u guys ever here about him he has a website and goes after the crooked show hosts

    • Just thought I should say something about this little event that happened last nite. I was with my husband and we both felt an energy shift in the room we were in. There was an attempted attack at me. Tried to hide themselves. Whatever. The interesting part is that you, apurplepebble shows up. Isn’t that a coinsidence. My, my. Just letting you know some astral buggers are now doing some really bad impersonations of you.

      • They attempted such an attack with me recently. It wasn’t PurplePebble they used on me though. It was a couple of deceased relatives.I was aware of what was going on and wasn’t fooled.

      • Thank you Mercy for your comment.

        apurplepeeble…when I said you showed up…it was in the form of projected thought…your name. I knew it was not you:) I’ve learned to trust my gut.

  35. “warren again yes I was one of those people who thought the sites u mentioned were the good guys till wisdom and guys like u or gals cause I don’t know who u are brought out the truth I agree with 99 percent of what u say but after my research and yes I research for myself im not a yes man I don’t follow the leader I lead I think maugans is ok but you know what forget him for a minute im surprised an astute person like u havnt uncovered a big piece of garbage on the circuit in fact its a she and after my experiences and the experiences of others uses the love and light as a front .”

    Tom,
    I was one of those people too, nothing wrong with that; wisdom isn’t about being right every time, it’s learning from the experience so that you aren’t taken advantage of a second or third time. I’m just a guy, probably much like you, who doesn’t like being lied to by people. Especially people who specialize in creating false realities to prey on others, while smiling and taking their money. I especially don’t like people who claim to be the “good guys” while using the bad guy’s tactics on unassuming parties. People don’t need to have special powers or classified access to be able to fathom what’s happening in the world around them. They just need to step back and quietly perceive, think, reflect, and discern. That’s why I like Purplepebble’s blog and why I keep coming back. There’s nothing wrong with stepping into the fire and getting burned because you didn’t know how bad it would hurt. You learn from that. But anyone who LEADS you into the fire, while charging you money for the experience, and then trying to convince you to stay because the smell of burning flesh is just an illusion, those people have reserved themselves a special place in hell.

    Anyway, thanks for the compliment but I’m not sure who you are talking about (big piece of garbage on the circuit), there are so many, care to point out who you mean?

    • “But anyone who LEADS you into the fire, while charging you money for the experience, and then trying to convince you to stay because the smell of burning flesh is just an illusion,…….”

      My grandfather would say “Don’t let anyone piss on your leg and tell you it’s raining.” ;)

  36. The reason I came to this blog was thru hyperspace cafe. I know I came off as not believing that someone can’t be programmed, or used in a govt. project. Not true at all. My friend and their experience of being sucked into believing something that was far from a govt. program, although as horrific, connects dots much more. Their experience did open the door to some nasty spiritual sh*t as well. But their experience only futhered by belief that these dugpas are dangerous. I have had personal experiences in my lifetime that has caused me to seek answers through online ‘dugpas’. Pieces of a puzzle, seemed too familiar, and, I’d find myself sucked in. A recognition, a memory. I believe this is greatly aided by astral entities, along with time in the astral realm. The latter, perhaps unknowingly.

    This is how I became sucked into David Icke. He was the only person who ever opened up about a reptilian. I was willing to excuse what I thought, and sensed, was alot of bs, and manipulation just because of the validation I found. 30yrs ago I saw a reptilian eye. Crackers right? Zero drugs, zero alcohal. Mid day. I had known this person for years, and he was a major a**hole. Narcissistic. I had simply placed both my hands over my face, and I sensed him moving in closer toward me. I looked between my fingers, and yes, he had leaned in toward me. But, I saw the eyes. I dropped my hands, and mouth. I’m going to say it was a good minute. Not a flash. I stared at those eyes. They were slit vertically. A yellow-gold color. Then on one eye I saw a second eyelid come down half way. I only said, ‘what the hell?’ At that point the guy put his hands over his face. Seemed extremely startled, and upset, and suddenly had to get somewhere else. I kept trying to get a look at his eyes and he continued to divert this until he was gone. A few months later I was with a friend. This same guy shows up. She knew him as well, and she said Hi. No response. Walked right past us. She is stunned. He does not look at us. His face is deadpan, he exuded aggression, and a mottled dark grey coloring. Like a bruised face, but grey. The guy goes into the bathroom. She’s wanting to know if I saw what she saw, etc. Then, after a few minutes, comes out, and his skin is normal, and he comes to the table and is completely pleasant. (while she’s fakin it, and kicking me under the table). I should add that neither of us saw his eyes at that time. I have honestly considered that I was delusional. I thought that perhaps someone slipped me drugs. I have considered every possible angle. All having to do with it not being true, but that I was deficient in some way. At that time in my life, I knew nothing of the astral, spiritual dealings, etc. I was very, very naive. Self doubt became a companion on a level I had not known. Today, I believe that I saw exactly what I discribed here. I don’t believe this is a situation of a few people having seen this either. I believe many people have, and keep it completely to themselves. Perhaps they tell a trusted spouse or friend. But publically, No. Along comes Icke, and he becomes ‘the hero’. An experience is validated after years of being haunted by it. Yet, it is no rabbit hole he takes you to. I refer rather to Kiplings Riki Tivi Tavi (sorry, spelling) It’s the snake hole. We’re not mongooses.

    • I’m not saying that it can’t be true, but I haven’t seen it, so I can’t validate it either way. However, based on the track record of the people saying it, selling it, pushing it, etc… I’m not buying it.
      Speaking generally from my experience, if this was as widespread a phenomenon as is being reported, people wouldn’t be able to keep a lid on it.

      Pardon me a minute, I seem to have some piss on my leg…

      • Warren, I can’t lay any blame or resentment toward you for your unbelief concerning what I stated here. I did not write this account to convince anyone who has not also encountered this. Nor did I write about it to induce fear. Strangely, throughout the entire encounter fear was not an element. I felt creeped out by the guy before I saw this. But during it, no. In 30yrs I have told this to perhaps 5 people at the most. Even after Icke came public. This is the first time I have ever publicly restated this account. I made the decision to write about this now, because apurplepebble has stated that people are reading this worldwide. I wrote it, not for others who have not seen this, nor for attention on me, but, for those who have encountered this. For those who are pushing aside all inner knowing and warnings concerning what Icke is swallowing them into, solely because they are being validated for this experience. The question should be asked, why did he, a dugpa, go public concerning the reptilians?

  37. Truself,
    I’ve never seen the reptilian eye thing but I did witness someone mottle to the darker grey bruised like coloring you described above. It was after I used a particular defense mechanism (a prayer) because I felt threatened by him. He couldn’t flee quick enough at that point. It was rather amusing .
    I will also add that there was no alcohol,no drugs of any kind in or on my body and this happened in broad daylight in my driveway.

    I have also witnessed eyes which were of normal coloring go totally black. Whites and all …totally black. In fact these events were the impetus to investigate the dugpas.Again no drugs, no alcohol ..in broad daylight. One of them was Swerdlow. There were a few unconnected occasions . All but one was a “dugpa” whose names most who read this blog would recognize.
    I agree. Icke is taking some truth and twisting it to have people go down a snake hole. In the end Icke wants you to believe an ancient lie.

    I don’t believe these “beings ” are “aliens” .

    • ‘after I used a particular defense mechanism (a prayer)’

      Mercy, when I had placed my hands over my face, I was saying a prayer too! The guys presence alone with him, especially, made my skin crawl. This is interesting because I never connected that the prayer I said worked until reading what you wrote here! I’m connecting some dots that I had not considered. ‘what is hidden, will be revealed’..and…I have read that it is flash that someone sees it. Well, not so, it was if this being was…well bound is the only word I can think of…or trapped for close to if not a solid minute before ‘he’ could gather himself to…yes…in hindsite…it was rather amusing…how he wanted out of dodge. I will say that after this event, my life evolved into an onslaught of spiritual attack. Toward my entire family.

      Swerdlow makes my skin crawl also. Fortunately, I only dropped a minimal amount of $ into the cult. Icke portals into Swerdlow.

      I don’t believe these “beings” are aliens either.

      Thank you both MercyNow & apurplepebble for writing what you have here of your experiences. It means ALOT .

  38. I have seen the black eyes also.

    Icke does absolutely want people to believe in an ancient lie. He has pandered and panders to certain sectors of the population who think he is telling them the truth then they think they have it all figured out. He has finally as of late been working vicariously through people who would, if they knew any better and if they knew what he was up to be focusing their attentions on him as well as the monarchy.

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/77693-the-day-the-daily-mail-a-spivey-collaborated-on-writing-about-the-queens-horrible-anus

  39. truself
    January 5, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “Warren, I can’t lay any blame or resentment toward you for your unbelief concerning what I stated here. I did not write this account to convince anyone who has not also encountered this. Nor did I write about it to induce fear.”

    I took no offense from what you wrote and meant none toward you either. I think you are taking me the wrong way; you know what you saw, just like Mercy Now and Pebble talking about the black eyes. I’m not saying that it didn’t happen and you don’t need to convince me that it did… I just haven’t seen it, that’s all.
    My message is more to be very, very careful what you make of it and what phenomenon you assign it too. It can make a real difference in how you defend yourself against things and who you allow to explain it.

    Visualizing a golden ankh going down a green staircase surrounded by a violet umbrella is probably not going to do anything, while other particular defense mechanism’s (a prayer), will. (Thank you for that Mercy Now, well said).
    I have been attacked by these “people” too, and initially I was very confused because I wasn’t sure what I was dealing with.
    That’s the danger with Icke, Sweardlow, Jones, Chia-pet-loni, new-agers, rainbow worshiping dolphin-kissers- all of them. They disarm you with lies and keep you off of center so that you CAN’T defend yourself against the real danger in the world.

    My anger is toward them, not you. There definitely are hard to explain things that happen in the world- you just can’t trust the explanations of those who are selling them.

    • Peace Warren:) I’ve been aware that I should have responded to you. It’s just that I’ve been completely incapacitated. I have no words to express what I have been going through. Once I took that step..my life has been literally passing before my eyes, with a stop motion on specifics. It’s like coming undone yet…simultanously everything is coming together. I’ve even seen how the reptilian event I discribed and a new ‘friend’ coming into my life, within days after, were connected. A ‘friend’ claiming christianity. It has become crystal clear, that what I thought had become an increasingly controlling and bad relationship, (one that I ended years back) was actually a handler. That step I spoke of was a simple prayer. I am also completely aware that as long as I chose to allow this process, I am being ‘taken on a very guided, very specific, and detailed tour’.

      Yes, you do have a roar. That’s a good thing:) I will have to add false Christian/religous dugpas to the list of ‘keeping you off center’ as well.

      • Peace to you as well, and I think I have been through almost exactly what you have described above. I will go into detail later but let me ask you, is it like you begin to notice details that you never noticed were there before?

        There are more false prophets than you can shake a stick at; doesn’t matter what brand name. Anyone who would ever cause you to feel pain or confusion on purpose is a dugpa.

        Just remember that whatever God you choose, whatever name you give that, even if you choose no God at all, you should never have to sell out or fundamentally change who or what you are to fit with some specific doctrine.

        If it doesn’t fit you, there can only be two explanations: One, it’s BS or Two, it’s BS.

        More power to ya’.

      • Warren, after numerous attempts I find no reply button to respond to you. So I will here.

        At the first, I thought for sure I was going to die. Every fiber of my body felt ripped apart. For how long this went on, I can not say. I have been left without strength since. Quite unlike being vampired, which I have experienced before, which left me in a ‘hypothermia’ state. This is like a strong heat. Almost burning at times. Tangible enough, that temperatures in the 20’s have no affect on me. Yet, I don’t perspire. I have had no desire for food for a week now. If I was employed at this time, I would have lost my job. My dear husband has taken up the ‘mundane’ slack without a whisper of complaint, or interference.

        Warren: ‘is it like you begin to notice details that you never noticed were there before?’

        Oh! Finite detail! Even within that moment of detail, I also see myself. How there was a knowing within. Much deeper than even a gut feeling. A knowing of complete detail. I see how I chose at that finite moment to ignore this knowing.

        Again, in stop action, I see moments of encountering a stranger. Those encounters would only be an exchange of a glance, an eye contact. At that moment I see/feel what was actually exchanged. A knowing of kinship within a fraction of a moment. Then it is gone, yet it remained. Also, this same described here…yet the recognition in a moment was quite the opposite. I also saw the details of the former (first described) under a religious doctrine, under no doctrine, and those without any acknowledgement of God whatsoever. Yet the same kinship known. This all, is quite unlike the concious feeling that you know or recognize another. It is exquisite in it’s whisper.

        Warren: ‘more false prophets than….’

        It induces a paranoia on a subconcious level…enter the dugpas with their lies. The truth would satisfy, even if brutal. Their lies drag one into passive-aggression. A most dangerous and confusing state.

        Warren: “Whatever God you chose….”

        My God has no name, no label. But my God feels very much like my true parent. I have always been drawn to the Christ’s words. He who has been turned into a massive nest of confusion. I am hesitant to even mention this, but I am also being drawn to the investigations of what is available, concerning the lost house of Israel. Another dugpa co-opt. Yet a seed that spread to the 4 corners of the world. Where this is taking me, I can not say. But I am drawn to find what truth there is within the lies.

        Warren: ‘If it doesn’t fit you…’

        I was fortunate to have one parent & a grandmother instill the importance of this. Both deceased before I was an adult. Yet, I know the ‘draw’ of subtle evil advanced through ‘pain’, and recognize, more than ever now, the weight of the ‘dismantle’ and co-opt of creation.

        I’m still going through all this. For how long I don’t know?

      • Just to wrap up what had been going on with me. I’ve dropped the whole ‘house of Israel’ search. The ‘kinship’ thing I felt…well…it’s very simple. Most people feel safe with ‘kin’. It is all about the built in safety net. Just as a child has. I’ve woken with a couple of dreams this past nite only solidifying this for me. I believe the context of what happened to me was reconnecting to that child-like knowing. As the Christ would put it ‘become a child again’. It could also be inclusive of ‘he restoreth my soul’. One of the memories that I was reminded of in clarity was being taught as child to trust this instinct. This teaching served me well as child. I trusted my self, and did not hesitate to set instinctual boundaries. It’s a priceless gift of creation.

  40. Hi everyone, Shirl the Squirrel’s ‘post-reply’ button wasn’t working so she sent this to me to put up:

    someone wrote:
    “…if people like me who believe that life is a gift and a blessing and well worth living challenge you and say “where’s your proof?”…”

    Good morning. Forget all about what you’ve learned, what you’ve read, what you beLIEve and simply look at the condition of being human. I say “to heck with beliefs”… you must come to KNOWLEDGE and it’s either within you or it is not. Either way, your body will die and your personality will too. There is NOTHING about this dimension worth saving.

    Not even a tiny bird can sit with his head still for more than 3 seconds for fear of being eaten. Do you see that? You can look off into the distance of nature and appreciate the beauty of the trees and the mountains, but when is the last time you slept in the woods without a big stick and some bugoff? When is the last time you labored in the garden to grow food and have to rely on the weather and the sweat & labor of your skin and bones?

    Suppose that you were a divine creator god. Just take a few minutes to imagine it……long pause………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. I will use the word divine to accentuate an essence of HOLY, that which embodies benevolence, Liberty, True Love, Justice, Care and such qualities. We’re looking at the big picture here.

    I want you to SEE that Evil does exist and that it has a source. If you don’t believe evil exists, then you might read on because you are entirely delusional.

    I would like you to consider that the biggest LIE most people have taken on board is the lie that there is only ONE Creator Status Being. I want you to also consider that a Holy Creator can err, yes, make an experimental error, a mistake that is so huge, so novel, so cunning, beguiling, deceiving, even beautiful….. does that shock you?
    Not only does a Divine Creator err, but when an error occurs, there is an inbuilt corrective mechanism that kicks in to remedy the situation, however it may be that an “upline” steps in as is the case with the human dilemma.

    Consider that this error is what is referred to as Evil (I capitalize the word out of respect, for it is an awesomely powerfull evil god status being). You can read all about “Him” in the Old Testament and many other writings……. filled with vengeance, jealousy and delusion, murder, false promises, psychopathic, narcissistic, such that He declares himself to be THE only true god, while he lays waste to his people, is rapacious in his slaughter. This is a consciousness in operation, a higher level being inflicting his wrath on to his people and through his people. You worship me or else….

    Consider the obvious: we have temporary bodies, we must eat other life forms to survive, we must grow old and decrepit and are subject to various maladies and influence… schools, churches, governments, money, heat/cold, water, air (that oxidizes)… do you mean to tell me that you think the state of being human is a Holy situation? That babies gestate parasitically within bodies w/all that blood & gore & pain? That we must defecate and vomit, dress, feed and protect our bodies from elements meant to extort energetic essence emotionally… for your demise? The preponderance of experiences in this “life” is one of drudgery, suffering & absolute horror and it is only the will of the deceived that find beauty and acceptance in having been created in such stifling, prison like bodies AND to attribute it to a loving, benevolent creator. It is only your familiarity that brings you a reprieve of comfort when you are in fact, incontrovertably, on a death sentence on a prison planet in a meatsuit and you will die and hopefully it won’t be the terror filled, excruciatingly painful, long drawn out type of exiting, but you will die, in complete delusion and deception that you came in under.

    If you can’t see that, then there is no hope for you because you will continue to worship (worth ship) the wrong god, little g (and your ego/exterior mind) that has you held captive, unwilling to see the evidence all around you. You don’t NEED to read words on a page. You don’t need gurus or anybody to tell you anything, IF you are paying attention and asking the right questions and possess divine consciousness. You only have to NOTICE your own “life”. You cannot NOT be here and not be damaged, period. It takes a tremendous effort to master your mind and there are very very few who have.

    Here’s the deal. There IS no Hell. NO divine creator god would EVER subject its creatures to suffering of ANY kind, EVER! NO Holy creator would ever create DEATH such is its consciousness. A Divine Creator can err and spawn what is judged to be evil.

    I want you to THINK.

    I will use something that the Jesus story said: “I am not of this world”…..
    HE denounced this world. There ARE some truth kernels in the bible. Actually it is an accounting of the evil empire which IS this dimension.
    It’s all going bye bye and I can do nothing about your perspective.
    Only you can do that.
    There ARE demons in meatsuits. They smell good, look good, talk good and you must treat all beings as if they ARE good, howEVER most people do not have a clue when the simple fact of abiding in a body is ample enough. That is all the proof that you need. There is NO way to reconcile the evil that takes place in this world as being of a benevolent intent.

    We have been indoctrinated, influenced, persuaded, taken on beliefs, display our egos brilliantly, been jacked around by the hormones in the sex program… well, quite simply, accepted the situation because we seemingly could not make sense of it, discern what’s going on, living one program (religion for example) over another (new age) or being atheistic (who can blame them)… I never stopped seeking the truth and it worked out that I have understanding that is NOT popular, I’m well aware.

    Point: You cannot prove one iota that this life is benevolent and well, face it, I’ve just given you a simple proof that death is not a Holy attribute. Try and counter that one. Yes, I denounce this world w/the reckoning that I’m held here against my will… I denounce the subordinate creator of this dimension because it is evil in nature.

    You do say that people are preyed upon. Well, there is an Evil God that has preyed on EVERYONE, every single one of us and there’s not a damned thing you can do about getting out of this body or the purported recycling system afterwards. Not a f***ing thing can you do to liberate yourself.

    I’d say that it warrants total SURRENDER to Most High that does not ask for blood ritual sacrifice (wars), car accidents, heart attacks, running over a squirrel, the euthanizing of herds of animals, ad infintim … does not require argument, discord or lashing out.

    There IS a Holy Source, the Liberator pool of divine consciousness, Holy Spirit and mankind does NEED a Liberator for we canNOT liberate ourselves in this state of being. Jesus did not save anyone, he couldn’t even save himself. He was human with divine consciousness and look what happened to him and the plethora of other divine beings…… that same consciousness is still bound up (trapped) & recycled in this fallen world. It truly IS an inside job. A divine, holy essence does not need saving. It needs Liberating while trapped in this dimension…. a job far far greater than a measley human can produce.

    Examine thyself. Your thoughts and your actions.
    You either have it or you don’t.
    Evil WILL be transmuted back to primordial unmanifest for the True Holy Consciousness would NEVER condemn any being to tortuous suffering for eternity. That’s the evil god’s doing.
    The rescue is in operation.

    This world is Maya and it’s very ‘real’ while here.
    Time is non existent but very ‘real’ while here.

    Evil is self destructive AND temporary. Guess what, your body is temporary, so is your ego.
    Is your spirit/consciousness temporary? Conversationally I’ll say that the soul is another meatless spirit suit of entrapment which means the astral is also demonic. Stop placing value in this dimension because you cannot know for certain if another person is evil or holy but most certainly they are a distraction. Most are hybrids (possessing both natures) and the war is internal AND external. ALL people are subjected to the same mechanisms, doesn’t matter whether a person is demonic or holy. That’s why you can’t see any justice. That’s why love and beauty is a false front.

    Connect to the REAL.
    Your effing material SELF and delusional mind is a Dugpa.
    Your love and light and “life is beautiful” is one of the BEST deceptive statements to inflict on someone. Shaming doesn’t work on the Wise.

    My only suggestion for this blog is to make a contribution of SOLUTION
    and then we can discern better where you’re coming from, as if I cared.
    I know that this life is about death, suffering, discord (least of which is getting lost in your thoughts trying to figure it out who is who) w/momentary reprieves (if you let your guard down)…. I can hurt just like the rest of you. I’m not in denial. I don’t look forward to it, just like you. But I can emotionally detach best I can.
    That’s bad AND “good” emotions that will bleed you of your essence.

    Fact is – you cannot offer any solutions, there is none except minding your own business and being helpful wherever and whenever you can. I say prepare. Make conscious effort with humility to SURRENDER to Most High and you will endure.
    Evil IS going down.

    Your reaction to what I’ve said will clue you up. Question is, are you listening?
    And I’m well aware that it brings up more questions…. I don’t have time for details… answers are found within if you have the capacity to be vigorously honest and ASK for the divine assistance that is available.

    And to this statement: “People don’t need to have special powers or classified access to be able to fathom what’s happening in the world around them.”

    Oh yes they do. If you are not divine in nature, your purpose is to confuse, defend a fallen world, and specifically keep others deceived along with yourself.
    There IS no spiritual progress being made in this world guys… only awakening and in degrees, it only “appears” as progress. Step up to the plate.

    I told Most High, Absolute, Supreme of Supremes that I would rather be deconstructed back to nothingness over living in a material dimension ever again.
    That’s how terrible is this world… unless you have spiritual blinders on. There is no going backwards once you’ve fully awakened.
    Nous is within.

    • Here is my reply. You probably won’t agree, but that isn’t my motive.

      “Good morning. Forget all about what you’ve learned, what you’ve read, what you beLIEve and simply look at the condition of being human. I say “to heck with beliefs”… you must come to KNOWLEDGE and it’s either within you or it is not. Either way, your body will die and your personality will too. There is NOTHING about this dimension worth saving.”

      Why should I do this and on what grounds? Don’t give me this “it’s either within you or it is not” crap, I have a lifetime of earned experience under my belt that has gotten me through some very nasty situations with some very nasty people. And I not only made it through, I live and maintain that this is not a hell hole. And I can assure you that I am not one of the walking dead that your lot seems to believe I am.

      “Not even a tiny bird can sit with his head still for more than 3 seconds for fear of being eaten. Do you see that? You can look off into the distance of nature and appreciate the beauty of the trees and the mountains, but when is the last time you slept in the woods without a big stick and some bugoff? When is the last time you labored in the garden to grow food and have to rely on the weather and the sweat & labor of your skin and bones?

      I grew up in the woods with the little birdies AND the big bad wolves. I saw creatures unfettered by worry and depression. You are anthropomorphizing human emotions onto animals that have little need for your fear. I, unlike you, spent countless nights in the woods without big sticks or bug repellant; I had my wits and my understanding of what was around me. I also find no problem working around the earth’s schedule for rainfall, sun, etc.; I don’t believe that anything is owed to me so the labor of my skin and bones produces that which I have made for myself.

      “Suppose that you were a divine creator god. Just take a few minutes to imagine it……long pause………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. I will use the word divine to accentuate an essence of HOLY, that which embodies benevolence, Liberty, True Love, Justice, Care and such qualities. We’re looking at the big picture here.

      I want you to SEE that Evil does exist and that it has a source. If you don’t believe evil exists, then you might read on because you are entirely delusional.”

      Okay, supposition complete. What would you do differently that would bring about this utopia that you desperately seek? Would you remove the free will from people and animals to clear this mess up? Would you have me re-educated to clear my mind of these delusions you seem to think I have? You know nothing about Liberty, True Love, Justice, etc. and much less about divinity and or holiness. Evil does exist in this world; some of the best examples are people who have attempted to circumvent the very powerful nature of the human being.

      “Consider that this error is what is referred to as Evil (I capitalize the word out of respect, for it is an awesomely powerfull evil god status being). You can read all about “Him” in the Old Testament and many other writings……. filled with vengeance, jealousy and delusion, murder, false promises, psychopathic, narcissistic, such that He declares himself to be THE only true god, while he lays waste to his people, is rapacious in his slaughter. This is a consciousness in operation, a higher level being inflicting his wrath on to his people and through his people. You worship me or else….”

      I question the tenor and context of your writing here, you seem to admire this being: “(I capitalize the word out of respect, for it is an awesomely powerfull evil god status being)”.
      I question anyone who claims to simultaneously admire and abhor evil. Power is power, good or evil; it’s what you create, think, surround yourself with that makes the difference as to what side you’re on and I am beginning to see a pattern here…

      “Consider the obvious: we have temporary bodies, we must eat other life forms to survive, we must grow old and decrepit and are subject to various maladies and influence… schools, churches, governments, money, heat/cold, water, air (that oxidizes)… do you mean to tell me that you think the state of being human is a Holy situation? That babies gestate parasitically within bodies w/all that blood & gore & pain? That we must defecate and vomit, dress, feed and protect our bodies from elements meant to extort energetic essence emotionally… for your demise? The preponderance of experiences in this “life” is one of drudgery, suffering & absolute horror and it is only the will of the deceived that find beauty and acceptance in having been created in such stifling, prison like bodies AND to attribute it to a loving, benevolent creator. It is only your familiarity that brings you a reprieve of comfort when you are in fact, incontrovertably, on a death sentence on a prison planet in a meatsuit and you will die and hopefully it won’t be the terror filled, excruciatingly painful, long drawn out type of exiting, but you will die, in complete delusion and deception that you came in under.”

      Me, consider the obvious? Have you ever thought that it might be you missing the point? That you might be the one who will die in complete and utter despair, waiting for some salvation that isn’t coming, and for the righteous punishment of those of us whom you have been told to hate? I can honestly say that everything that you have written above is, to me (and a whole lot of us), obvious. Who screwed up your perspective and how do you maintain the breath in your lungs if the above is true? I could just as easily speak of (and I will, because it is what I know to be true) the miracle of birth; where the union of a man and a woman creates life from the very essence of their bodies, a life that didn’t exist before that time, a life that is adored, cherished and looked after, through everything; a life that brings joy (and sometimes pain) to all that encounter it. When I look into the eyes of children, I do not see a prison. I see life, joy, learning, and magic. I do not see the deceived; they see the world from their perspective, with some limited input from the parentals, and make the world around them to their liking. Like we have been doing since the beginning of time. They have no death sentence; they have a life to live. A life that, until they meet people who would sentence them to death, is full of wonder, mystery, pain, joy, hard work- all of it. I just hope that they have been prepared well enough to defend themselves appropriately against these kinds of spiritual attacks. Oh, I know what you’re going to say and I have no energy to repeat it. But let me ask you this, what do you have to offer to life? For I know that, like all of us here, you were once a child who loved something, or else you wouldn’t be here. Who destroyed that while convincing you that they were “opening your eyes”? The wonder of the human animal is so great; we are the only ones on this planet who actually have been given the ability to choose, and some of us choose very poorly.

      Anyway, next:

      “If you can’t see that, then there is no hope for you because you will continue to worship (worth ship) the wrong god, little g (and your ego/exterior mind) that has you held captive, unwilling to see the evidence all around you. You don’t NEED to read words on a page. You don’t need gurus or anybody to tell you anything, IF you are paying attention and asking the right questions and possess divine consciousness. You only have to NOTICE your own “life”. You cannot NOT be here and not be damaged, period. It takes a tremendous effort to master your mind and there are very very few who have”.
      “Here’s the deal. There IS no Hell. NO divine creator god would EVER subject its creatures to suffering of ANY kind, EVER! NO Holy creator would ever create DEATH such is its consciousness. A Divine Creator can err and spawn what is judged to be evil.
      I want you to THINK. “

      God (and I use the big G here, out of respect) help ya’, you don’t want me to think. That’s my problem, that’s what has led to me coming up with all of these crazy ideas about life. If I just stopped the damned thinking and listened to you people, it would all be solved. I wouldn’t have to worry about my guru being accused several times of domestic violence against women; I would know that they were obviously not divine enough. By the way, you didn’t say that I would get to the answers if I was asking questions; you said I had to ask the “right” questions. That means that there are “wrong” questions, which, just by matter of language, means that there are “wrong” answers, and “right” answers; it also presupposes that you, or whoever you are following, has the “right” ones, and poor stupid me left to my own devices has stumbled blindly into the “wrong” ones. Holy shit, you people have some brass ones. Thousands of years of human history and people trying to figure it out and now, thank the God’s you’ve finally come, with hell and vengeance at your backs, to set us all straight and lead us to… ?

      And who needs God to create hell, you have that all wrapped up. The contradictions abound.

      I will use something that the Jesus story said: “I am not of this world”…..
      HE denounced this world. There ARE some truth kernels in the bible. Actually it is an accounting of the evil empire which IS this dimension.
      It’s all going bye bye and I can do nothing about your perspective.
      Only you can do that”.

      Like it or not, story or not, don’t quote things out of context to suit your definition, it’s crass and uneducated, just as Pilot was when he was selling Jesus out to the Jews, which is what your quote is actually referencing:

      35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilot replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
      36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
      37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
      Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth, hear my voice.”
      38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilot. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.
      39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”
      40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!”

      I guess there’s always a little more to the story when you THINK about it.

      “There ARE demons in meatsuits. They smell good, look good, talk good and you must treat all beings as if they ARE good, howEVER most people do not have a clue when the simple fact of abiding in a body is ample enough. That is all the proof that you need. There is NO way to reconcile the evil that takes place in this world as being of a benevolent intent.”

      Yes there are, don’t be one. They don’t smell good to me. And I do treat everyone who deserves to be treated good, good. Probably because I’m not checking their meat-suit for divinity, see, that is a choice; the most brilliant thing about being here… you get to choose, it isn’t pre-ordained.
      But what the hell do I know. I’m just one of the sheep.

      “We have been indoctrinated, influenced, persuaded, taken on beliefs, display our egos brilliantly, been jacked around by the hormones in the sex program… well, quite simply, accepted the situation because we seemingly could not make sense of it, discern what’s going on, living one program (religion for example) over another (new age) or being atheistic (who can blame them)… I never stopped seeking the truth and it worked out that I have understanding that is NOT popular, I’m well aware.”

      Yes, some people have, some people haven’t. Some people have gone down that path and then realized the error. They then corrected said error, on their own, or maybe with a little help, and then… they went on with it. Some people continue to fuck everything up for as long as they exist and we deal with them as best we can. Evil does exist in this world; you just can’t assign it so generally in an attempt to make this life make sense. That is the beauty of what your mind can do, not the horror of it; as Descartes and the rest of those gnostic (and I use the little g here out of disrespect) assholes would have you believe. You can choose. THAT, is your God given right; no matter what god, and I’ll be fair, if any, you choose. You don’t have to be “one of the chosen”, it is up to you to choose.

      “You do say that people are preyed upon. Well, there is an Evil God that has preyed on EVERYONE, every single one of us and there’s not a damned thing you can do about getting out of this body or the purported recycling system afterwards. Not a f***ing thing can you do to liberate yourself.”
      Actually, that’s not quite what I meant (context here). I’m not trying to get out of this body (if you could just hear yourself) so the rest is moot. I know I’m stupid by your standards so no point in attempting to draw that out again.
      “I’d say that it warrants total SURRENDER to Most High that does not ask for blood ritual sacrifice (wars), car accidents, heart attacks, running over a squirrel, the euthanizing of herds of animals, ad infintim … does not require argument, discord or lashing out.”

      I’d say that you have surrendered more than you know, and more than I am willing. My God gave me freedom of choice (remember liberty? You were talking about that, it’s choice without surrender in case you needed the definition). He gave me and you the free will to denounce even that which keeps us alive, and I’d say that’s pretty fair.

      “There IS a Holy Source, the Liberator pool of divine consciousness, Holy Spirit and mankind does NEED a Liberator for we canNOT liberate ourselves in this state of being. Jesus did not save anyone, he couldn’t even save himself. He was human with divine consciousness and look what happened to him and the plethora of other divine beings…… that same consciousness is still bound up (trapped) & recycled in this fallen world. It truly IS an inside job. A divine, holy essence does not need saving. It needs Liberating while trapped in this dimension…. a job far far greater than a measley human can produce.

      First, where the hell do you get this from? The Liberator pool of divine consciousness? That sounds like a Soviet swimming hole for spiritual re-education, not a holy source into which I would take a dive.
      Second, I am not asking to be saved or liberated, you are. All while assigning that same need to me (and everyone else) whether I have asked for it or not. Where is my choice? Where is your thinking, your divine discernment? If a lowly being like me can challenge the fundamentals of your values, without wavering, without tiring; can you chalk that up to delusion? Actually, you probably can, sadly.

      Because it is an inside job, by humans who have been turned and who crave power, while having no understanding of what it is. Power is creation; not reckoning or vengeance, those masters are served by the Dugpas, who seek you as willing and able producers of that which they crave the most, human suffering. Prove me wrong, I dare you. Tell me that the master that you serve is yourself and that it asks nothing of you; that you are free to follow or go your own way, as you choose.

      “Examine thyself. Your thoughts and your actions.” I do, every day. (and I could stand to lose a couple of pounds.)
      “You either have it or you don’t.” Bullshit, it can be attained and you are living proof of that, even if what you are saying is true; you didn’t always know what you know now.

      “Evil WILL be transmuted back to primordial unmanifest for the True Holy Consciousness would NEVER condemn any being to tortuous suffering for eternity.” Eh, not so much. Evil will be defeated when it’s defeated by people who have no place for it.

      “The rescue is in operation.” No it isn’t. They aren’t coming, they never were. You have been given the tools to rescue yourself and instead you’re waiting for the flood water to drown you so that you can achieve salvation. My God would not sentence you to that. Sorry that yours has.

      “This world is Maya and it’s very ‘real’ while here.
      Time is non existent but very ‘real’ while here.”

      A few words on this if I may; I find the ancient Indian religions fascinating in as much as they spent more time trying to figure out reality than probably any other group in history. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but I appreciate the effort and understand their hunger for knowledge. They wrote thousands and thousands of pages of thoughts, poems, songs, and letters in an effort to understand what it was that they were experiencing. The other thing I find fascinating is how many cults have picked and chosen little tidbits here and there, from different sects, times, philosophers, etc.; and used just those parts that fit their particular system of disbelief, to somehow prove their point (they do the same thing with all religions, they are non-contextual quote whores). Just on the subject of the Sanskrit word “Maya” (which translated from Sanskrit literally means “not that”), that you are using here to try and prove your point that this is all unreal, is there very little agreement in what that concept means. Some sects see it one way, some see it almost completely differently, and these are people who have the combined experience of several hundred years just debating one particular topic!
      I digress; the one thing I can tell you is that that the concept of reality being unreal was created by a human, in the 9th century, who was trying to make sense of things and find peace. Had it been the only true and righteous path to enlightenment or whatever you want to call it, he and his followers would have gotten there, the debate would have ended, and we would all have been awakening to the truth. But that didn’t happen, because even as they understood it to be, there is not one solution. There isn’t ANY one solution… because there isn’t any ONE problem. You are lamenting the forest while refueling your chainsaw to keep up with the hectic schedule of tree cutting. All while giving yourself credit for being one of the chosen in a temporary, unreal, world that you can’t trust. How can you even trust your take on that?

      The contradictions amaze me… but continuing on:

      “Evil is self destructive AND temporary. Guess what, your body is temporary, so is your ego.
      Is your spirit/consciousness temporary? Conversationally I’ll say that the soul is another meatless spirit suit of entrapment which means the astral is also demonic. Stop placing value in this dimension because you cannot know for certain if another person is evil or holy but most certainly they are a distraction. Most are hybrids (possessing both natures) and the war is internal AND external. ALL people are subjected to the same mechanisms, doesn’t matter whether a person is demonic or holy. That’s why you can’t see any justice. That’s why love and beauty is a false front.”

      I’ll ask it again but I don’t expect an answer; what exactly is it that you DO value? Everything is a false front, not to be trusted.

      “My only suggestion for this blog is to make a contribution of SOLUTION
      and then we can discern better where you’re coming from, as if I cared.
      I know that this life is about death, suffering, discord (least of which is getting lost in your thoughts trying to figure it out who is who) w/momentary reprieves (if you let your guard down)…. I can hurt just like the rest of you. I’m not in denial. I don’t look forward to it, just like you. But I can emotionally detach best I can.
      That’s bad AND “good” emotions that will bleed you of your essence.
      Fact is – you cannot offer any solutions, there is none except minding your own business and being helpful wherever and whenever you can. I say prepare. Make conscious effort with humility to SURRENDER to Most High and you will endure.
      Evil IS going down.
      Your reaction to what I’ve said will clue you up. Question is, are you listening?
      And I’m well aware that it brings up more questions…. I don’t have time for details… answers are found within if you have the capacity to be vigorously honest and ASK for the divine assistance that is available.
      And to this statement: “People don’t need to have special powers or classified access to be able to fathom what’s happening in the world around them.”
      Oh yes they do. If you are not divine in nature, your purpose is to confuse, defend a fallen world, and specifically keep others deceived along with yourself.
      There IS no spiritual progress being made in this world guys… only awakening and in degrees, it only “appears” as progress. Step up to the plate.
      I told Most High, Absolute, Supreme of Supremes that I would rather be deconstructed back to nothingness over living in a material dimension ever again.
      That’s how terrible is this world… unless you have spiritual blinders on. There is no going backwards once you’ve fully awakened.
      Nous is within.”

      I spent a lot of time thinking about answering your post; time that I wondered if I was wasting. I started writing, stopped, started, wondered what the point would be, will it make a difference, who cares?… the list goes on and on. So why the hell would I do this?

      Because that is what MY God would do. That is what I care about; it is important to me. Whether you can see it or not, the mere fact that you take the time to express what you have written above means that you do care. I think you have suffered, one way or another, but not to the level that you would propose. I’m not being unkind here, but generally speaking, people who I have encountered who have truly suffered terrible injustices and survived it with their lives intact tend to appreciate that which is life on even a stronger level than they did before.

      No one has the solution because it simply isn’t that simple. Not because the game is rigged, but because it isn’t a game; it’s your life. It’s your choice, it’s your creation. Not some bullshit “love and light” dolphin worshipping crap… that’s not creation, that’s just another rabbit hole. I mean having the courage to get out of bed and make yourself a cup of coffee and enjoy it, without guilt.

      Start there (you won’t believe how great an intentional cup of coffee can taste).

      My point about all the religious stuff above is that for thousands of years, as long as humans have existed, from the beginning of recorded time; we have been trying to make sense of that which is us. We get it right, we get it wrong. Sometime it works; sometimes it all goes to shit.

      Wisdom is knowing the difference.

      Mock me all you want, hate me if you must, but I am only challenging you to see the good that exists in yourself and those around you that deserve it. If that demands your reproach, then so be it, a dead horse doesn’t feel the flogging.

      God love ya’, and I mean that.

      Warren.

      • Thunderous applause!!!!

        Thanks Warren for bringing up that Elizabeth/Shirl/Shirel/squirrel/Sifter took what Jesus “said” out of context.

        Not only was it taken of out of context(totally) but then was used as a tool to drive home an agenda backed Charley Manson feel, kool aid flavored rant.

        It’s troublesome whether it was done deliberately or out of ignorance.

  41. Shirl/Elizabeth,

    Please cite your source for “Jesus did not save anyone”.

    I’ve sat down a few times to compose a response to the above rant .The result was becoming so time consuming, long and so full of references and such that I decided to go to an proven scholar on the subject of the old testament God. Fair Warning… The below essay will require more than a few minutes and thinking as well.

    BTW… I think the author would agree with you on their being more than one creator but suspect you wouldn’t like that view either.
    http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2010/01/god-and-haiti/#comment-1685

    • I too have started to answer and been unable to finish. Mostly because I am being asked here to throw away everything i have ever learned, read or believed to then consider a new belief in an evil creator that exists and to sum up in simple terms that ultimately this world is terrible.

      Then to give a contribution of a solution (as if you care, you said it) so that you can better discern where I am coming from? That discernment can only come from you, Not just with this blog but with all things I guess.

      Where do you think I am coming from?

      To boot, I am supposed to pull off this feat for you who thinks even Jesus wasn’t capable of bringing solutions or a solution.

      I think you should forget everything you ever learned read or whatever and I want you to see that there is good in the world? Along with everything else that happens simultaneously, spontaneously, naturally, organically in Life. There is beauty and wonder in it.

      Despite the shit. We all know what shit looks like, but do we sit and look at it all day?

      Is that helpful? Is that a solution?

      Is that a place where solutions come from?

      Does that mean someone is not aware?

      I have never ever claimed that everything is love and light .EVER and I think this blog is a living testimony to that.

      To consider the idea that this world is more or less a lost cause and that we are just meat suits that are stuck here, well, that’s the very essence of what evil would have you think about life and creation.

      Thatt idea / concept to me seems like it would be similar to havng an inner noose on your inner nous.

  42. Hi everyone,

    LOL, I know that I for one (and I don’t think from what I know of Shirl – but won’t speak for her ;-D) don’t look at this sh*t all day but just a portion of it; perhaps because it IS my fascination to figure out the SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE in as open-minded, unbiased, educated, and yes, critical thinking approach as I possibly have the time for. I am blessed with an optimistic nature thank goodness!

    My days are very busy and usually happy filled with all the same ADLs as anyone else’s EXCEPT…I can’t help but notice the grave injustices that are never righted. My quest started since early childhood to try and figure out the structure(s) or system(s) that keeps ridiculously cruel and inhumane conditions front and center on this planet; and which has extended through every age. Early eschewing of religion (after seeking a spiritual home and sampling most of them Erma Bombeck style…i.e. inviting myself to my friends’ various services to many different religions and then of course staying to dinner afterwards…yum!) later studying them. I use my inner feeling nature as my guide as well and I ignore it at my own peril.

    ~Christianity in its many variations, and its leanings on the Bible was THE EASIEST BY FAR TO DISMISS due to the revolting hypocricy, greed and obvious demonic manifestations. It has such a FAR influence on this world and look at this world.~ Read the article by Dr. Chiappolone about the Bible linked below.

    They all left me feeling cold and their lack of respect for women an obvious tip off that, “Something is rotten in Denmark.” This restless seeking led me down the Dugpa trail of modified, New Age Hinduism and 6 months in India. Lack of integrity (behind the scenes) inspired me to drop out of the quest entirely for over a decade then when I picked up the thread again the conpiracy info. had begun its dissemination all over the web. Picking through the massive flood of alternative info. was/is a crash course in honing ones discrimination.

    The most important tool in this overwhelming process of “trutheeking” is a humble and solid awareness of one’s own biases. I tend to be a straightforward person so I put mine right out there. Of course that opens me up to obvious attack, especially from people who are mostly NOT EVEN COGNIZANT of or BRAVE enough to reveal the philosophies which give THEM succor.

    Christians as a group tend to be the most arrogant, smuggest and most obnoxious without fail because they have the powers of status quo behind them. The comments section of this thread is filled to the brim with examples of this. I say, reveal YOUR hand…your motivations…and when another MORE worthy opinion of truth emerges…say Gnosticism.. ESPECIALLY from a very worthy, scholarly source, i.e. Dr. Chiappalone emerges…then read it with an open mind knowing full well that you have MUCH to learn because you’ve FALLEN FOR THE BIGGEST SCAM IN HISTORY!!! Christianity! LOLZ! Hahahahaha!

    Gnosticism predates Christianity by quite a few years so if I would tend to focus my studies there, personally.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gnosticism

    Here’s the excellent article by Dr. Chiappolone pointing out the checkered past of the Bible.

    http://rense.com/general95/biblemyth.html

    • I think Mercy Now hit the nail on the head about the drooling in anticipation; you wear your master’s collar well and I hope he awards you for your diligence. Maybe he’ll reward you with a slap hard enough to give you a concussion and put you in the hospital overnight for observation as he admittedly did to his wife.

      Here’s the excellent article by the Free times pointing out the checkered past of the Dr.:

      “Dr Chiappalone told the Free Times that there had been a single incident, many years earlier, recorded at the Atherton hospital, of domestic violence, during which his former wife was treated after a domestic violence incident. “She broke my glasses and I slapped her,” he admitted. The incident was recorded in hospital records, with Ms Stanford concussed and confused by the incident, and kept in hospital for observation overnight.”

      Yet this somehow didn’t leave you “feeling cold and their lack of respect for women an obvious tip off that, “Something is rotten in Denmark.” Or Australia.

      You have some brass ones, I’ll give you that: “The comments section of this thread is filled to the brim with examples of this. I say, reveal YOUR hand…your motivations…and when another MORE worthy opinion of truth emerges…say Gnosticism.. ” You might as well say Easter Bunny.

      You’re a contradiction in terms, a philosophy class gone horribly wrong and absolute proof that society got so fat and wealthy that its progeny had nothing to fight for or live for and have been so far removed from having to provide for themselves that they have begun to not only eat each other, but they have begun to eat themselves. You are sniveling, whining brats who have no idea what it means to do a hard days work to provide for your family or yourself and you have no intention of starting. You don’t breed because “that’s hetero-normative” or some crap you heard someone be falsely outraged about. You are the very product of the media that you so disingenuously claim to hate and you might as well be following Nero, he’ll need a true hedonist to polish his fiddle for him.

      You are so full to the brim of contradiction:

      Elizabeth: “The most important tool in this overwhelming process of “truthseeking” is a humble and solid awareness of one’s own biases.”

      Elizabeth: “Christians as a group tend to be the most arrogant, smuggest and most obnoxious without fail because they have the powers of status quo behind them.”

      Good job with the humility and awareness of your bias. You’re a spiritual teenager stamping your foot at the “that’s not fair and I don’t like the world cause it’s mean” veil.

      “My days are very busy and usually happy filled with all the same ADLs as anyone else’s EXCEPT,”

      Well if that’s true, I would say that you don’t have the courage of own your convictions. If they are your convictions.

  43. Once again you and Chiappalone spin and manipulate info to suit an agenda. what a steaming pile of BS!! Until I get more time( and even then I wonder if it’s worth it)…….

    Please list Chiappalone’s scholary credentials outside of medicine.

    .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

    http://vimeo.com/7574344

    http://vimeo.com/8588767

    Meanwhile since Chiappalone claims he has been given power to destroy earth you needn’t worry about non Gnostics or anyone else.(What a quick ride to mental illness)

  44. ” I tend to be a straightforward person so I put mine right out there.”

    No you aren’t and no you didn’t.
    This blog and certain threads at hyperspacecafe are about exposing the lies of the so called truth movement and other New Age spew. That’s what people were called to comment on . You played it( or attempted to) in order to push your own agenda . You were drooling in anticipation for someone to mention Jesus so you could pounce.
    You are a predator no better than those we have exposed.

  45. Come on…just because a quote from the bible has been mentioned …..Even the blessed Dr Chiappalone has stated there is truth peppered throughout the Bible …he even states that Jesus was not the wimpy wishy washy image of a man that has been conjured up. So on some level if he thinks that, he must agree with some of what is written in the Bible, and beleive that Jesus was a real man.

    The Bible …..a magical tome that can be used for good and bad. There are as many interpretations of it as there are readers of it and if you think about it, if you are as spiritual as you claim to be, would you be laughing smugly at those that might read it or use it for guidance? For some people, thats all they have got, and there you are laughing at them. Didn’t you at one point look to outside influences for truth and guidance? Infact, you are still doing it.

    You are also looking to people who have themselves fairly checkered pasts yet arrogantly and obnoxiously stand on their platform (of the Jeff Rense radio show) like some holier than thou all knowing prick.

    What philosophies give me succor? None of them. Especially those ushered in by alternative media and mainstream media fuckwits. I don’t care if they are college educated, Harvard whatever… doctors, or have letters after their name…all that is, is an indication that they are nothing more than people who spent more time getting indoctrinated by the very system you piss and whine about….

    A solid connection to the Creator that I know… thats it.

    So simple, even a baby can understand it.

    You think that I am not cognizant or brave enough to say where I am coming from and what my motivations are?

    Tell that to me when you are cognizant and brave enough to take another long hard look at how you might be fooling yourself AGAIN by listening to who you listen to ….you are still .keeping yourself reliant on outside liberators and all that does is stifle your ability to liberate yourself.

    If you are brave enough to take that step, you might just end up seeing people like Dr Chiappalone look exactly like the prison wardens that they are, who hold the keys that have locked you up with THEIR bullshit motivations and philosophies. Not that dissimilar from the gurus you have given that power to in the past.

    Then take the next step and don’t listen to me either and see how liberating that is.

  46. Let me try to put things straight. The latest discussion here fundamentally pertains to whether this world, this construct we currently reside, is a world/construct created by an evil or errorish creator or an original good world/construct that has been tampered with by evil forces, right?

    Well, I don’t consider myself an adept of Chiappalone or Gnosticism, but I think that the possibility that this world/construct is an error in creation that needs to be corrected, cannot be dismissed so easily. There is a lot of (fundamental) cruelty, injustice, suffering and exploitation in this place, to start with. Well, at least according to my own standards.
    Everything goes round in circles in this construct, there seems to be no real resolution taking place here.
    I don’t know about others, but I feel very strongly that I want out of that circle.

    Evil hardware vs evil software. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.
    I try to look at this as objective and neutral as possible.
    I think there are several indications that the hardware of this world/construct could be specifically fabricated for prison purposes. A prison dimension.
    If the hardware isn’t evil, then this world has been subjected to some very cunning and deeply penetrating evil and parastical software, I would say.

    How do we get rid of all the evil, that is my main concern.
    I would love to be rescued, but so far, nobody has rescued me.

    • I’m just about done with this topic, but just needed to point out a couple of things… Martijn, if I may…

      “Let me try to put things straight. The latest discussion here fundamentally pertains to whether this world, this construct we currently reside, is a world/construct created by an evil or errorish creator or an original good world/construct that has been tampered with by evil forces, right?”

      No, it’s not. It’s about the fundamental lack of evidence (that some of us find appalling) pertaining to this world BEING a CONSTRUCT, or some kind of fake, false, pseudo-world that only the pre-chosen divine ones can pierce the horrific veil of. Or see through the emperor’s new clothes, as I like to say.

      “Well, I don’t consider myself an adept of Chiappalone or Gnosticism, but I think that the possibility that this world/construct is an error in creation that needs to be corrected, cannot be dismissed so easily.”

      Well, I just did and found it to be quite enlightening and liberating. AND easy.

      The problem is, THEY have set the baseline and the rules for the argument with a presupposition that the validity rests with the idea that it IS a construct… and that my friend, is a contradiction. I contend that is is not, ask a direct question as to why, how, who, what, where… any of them have come to that fundamental and absolutely life changing presumption, and I get ………………………OOOOOOOOO (circles, avoidance, reassignment, deflection, changing the subject, crickets…)

      “How do we get rid of all the evil, that is my main concern.” Start by truly understanding what it is, its name, its characteristics, the masks it wears, the false gods and worlds it promotes. And then don’t support it, ever.

      “I would love to be rescued, but so far, nobody has rescued me.” And they never will.

      That is your job.

      • Warren, a construct is a neutral term, I think. It is not good, it is not bad, it just is.
        My own house is a construct. My house is part of a construct also, for example the area and the city it is part of, and so on… this planet, this solar system …
        ‘Construct’ is just a matter of semantics to me. World/dimension/place/construct …

        I’m sorry, Warren, but I am just trying to neutrally look at this. From my own perspective, ideas and experiences, that I basically already had before I could read one single word. You want to dismiss those??

        You create the image as if I get my ideas and suppositions I articulated above from people like Chiappalone, and that is NOT correct, my friend.
        I at most commented on certain ideas articulated by others, for example Chiappalone. I did that from my OWN perspective, ideas and experiences, that I use as a basis.
        I don’t pretend to know what the absolute truth is, but I don’t want to fool myself and look away from things that may be not so pleasant. You probably agree with me that, let’s say, our society has been created as a certain prison. Well, extrapolate that to the possibility that this construct/world/dimension in itself is a certain prison also. I don’t see a big difference actually, between these 2 quantities.
        I gather that you do want to look at the possibility that our society construct is a certain prison, but not at the possibility that this dimensional construct is a certain prison.
        I see that everything in this dimensional construct is based on duality. We are caught in duality.

        I think my contributions on this blog have shown that I do my best to see through everything that is false and evil, and that I don’t take anything for granted.
        I want to do something about it myself, which I think also shows in my contributions on this blog, for example.

        I’m not waiting for a rescue. I don’t think that I’ve stated anything here that could indicate this either.

  47. Mercy Now said: “Please cite your source for “Jesus did not save anyone”.

    My answer to that is that a divine being does not need saving. He needs liberating. From what?
    This “hellish” dimension. Your body is temporary, your ego is too. You have to know your inner essence.

    If you are evil you may seek salvation and you may believe that you are saved, but there is none for evil.
    Evil is be transmuted back to primordial unmanifest, the only solution to end it once and for all.

    I like the doc’s motto: take it or leave it. It is certainly not for everyone and it IS not popular,
    It calls for an interior Inner Nous to bring it to your outer mind in order to be vigorously honest.
    Martijn is using his Inner Mind.

    Try to watch and LISTEN to the entire presentation even the parts that may irk you.

  48. Shirl/squirrel/Shirel/ Sifter…..Folks in and around Missoula Montana will never forget the doc. lolz Karl Williams won’t either.

  49. “DR CHIPA FUCK IS A BAD GUY WHOEVER REFERS TO THIS GUY IS A MORON IN MY OPINION.” (Tom)

    Be specific, in what way is he a bad guy?

    • Just a word of caution….
      I think it’s fair to say that some of those exposed here do read this blog or have their followers do it for them and keep them updated.After all they do believe that any publicity is good publicity as most PT Barnum types do. However, they are also feeling the heat (it IS unraveling)and will look for reason to have this blog shut down .Some are very litigious as well .

      just sayin….That’s the way they roll .

    • “Even Plotinus, the greatest metaphysician to have ever lived rejected Gnosticism because it represented a degenerated spiritual current.”

      And I’M the deluded one.

  50. I’ve been reading this guy’s blog for several months now. I’m deliberately leaving the link out just to see what “ass”umptions and conclusions some jump to first. i post it here because many of the it seems Chiappalone and others are using the same material.
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    Archons, Assholes, And The Philosophy Of Laziness

    Over the last couple years I have received reader emails telling me that they believe much of what I write about deals with Archons and the fact that the physical domain is itself under control of very dark, violent, and sexually aggressive entities that either created humanity as a slave race or simply farm them for a resource necessary for their own existence. In most of these emails, I am given links to the written works or audio interviews of two men in particular. One is John Lash and the other is Jay Weidner. Lash isn’t worth the effort, but Jay Weidner is a somewhat interesting case because he has spread his ideas for mass consumption on the History Channel and others. I strongly suspect that Weidner gets many of his ideas from John Lash whose writing I frankly can’t stomach. Lash considers Christianity itself an “E.T. Deception” and like Weidner he uses the tired Sitchin annunaki conspiracy theory of a super alien race creating (or at least enslaving) human beings or some similar nonsense.

    It soon becomes apparent to me in going over this material that there are major errors in interpretation taking place. Having studied the Gnostic corpus for many years now and knowing their history fairly well, it becomes clear almost immediately that the interpretation these two men put out is really a “re-telling” through a more modern lens. They present the Nag Hammadi library as if it were a cohesive teaching containing a set of harmonious spiritual ideas. This is simply not true. Both of these writers are clueless in regard to how these writings relate to the inner rather than outer world. A cursory examination of the Nag Hammadi texts reveals that the very texts themselves contain conflicting ideas on creation and the nature of what is often seen as a “cosmic error” that being the creation of the present physical domain. For the record, however, I will state that the Gospel of Thomas does have an authoritative and valid feel to it. But moving on.

    Weidner consistently mucks things up by likening aliens from outer space with Archons. Having listened to several of his interviews now it is very clear that he also takes many ideas from the fiction of Zecharia Sitchin, who time and again has been debunked. Weidner on several occassions quite proudly admits that some of his knowledge comes from Sitchin. Having listened to an interview from 2011 Weidner falsely claims that science fiction writer Arthur Clarke wrote openly about being a pedophile in the London Times. This is simply not true. While I do find it suspect that a man thought to be a pedophile would move to Sri Lanka (a pedophiles paradise) the truth is that no such articles were ever written by Arthur Clarke as Weidner claims. In fact Clarke denied the charges emphatically (as all pedophiles do) when they were brought against him in Sri Lanka shortly before his death. The audio can be found on this page and was done May 2011 under “Truthquest”. In this particular interview Weidner even states that human beings aren’t meant to work and that if we somehow change from “Monochronic time” to “Polychronic time” we can get out of the pain the physical world puts on humanity. He then goes on to state that we should be living a more natural existence in free-love communities and speaks nothing about how a shift from Monochronic to Polychronic time can occur and what the metaphysical implications would be. Weidner goes on to make a bigger fool of himself with Jeff Rense.

    In an interview with Jeff Rense, Jay Weidner states:

    “The Nag Hammadi texts are older than the New Testament by 400 years. The New Testament that we have today wasn’t concocted until about 350 AD. ”

    This is absolutely false. The Nag Hammadi library dates to around 300-400AD, which means that particular library came into existence nearly 300 years after the death of Christ. The earliest Christian writings in existence are the writings of the Apostle Paul, which exist in the present day New Testament. These can easily be dated to around 50AD twenty years or more before the destruction of Jerusalem and nearly 300 years before the Nag Hammadi library came to be. This is even accepted by secular scholars and can no longer be debated. One of the oldest fragments of the book of James (in the New Testament) can be dated to 120 AD, which is also older than any Gnostic text in existence today. This is just poor scholarship on the part of Weidner and company. The New Testament wasn’t “concocted” or written in the fourth century as he claims, it was during that time that the Christian bishops were compiling a canon of already existent texts that were deemed “authoritative”. The Gnostic texts and teachings were rejected long before Nicea mainly because they negated the importance of the physical domain and promoted very strange ideas. Before the Council of Nicea all the books of the present New Testament were being circulated throughout the various Christian communities from the time of the first century. As early as Tatian it was pretty well understood what books carried “authority” as they related to the original Christian tradition and Gnosticism had no part in that because it presented a completely foreign view of the physical world and the divine. Even Plotinus, the greatest metaphysician to have ever lived rejected Gnosticism because it represented a degenerated spiritual current.

    The reality is that these misconceptions tend to get picked up by those unwilling to check the facts for themselves. Within time these lies become accepted as truth and those claiming to be Gnostics fall into an illusion themselves. Even speaking of the Council of Nicea brings images of evil Bishops who were supressing the Gnostics. Again, this is another misconception. The Council of Nicea was more about putting together a coherent understanding of God, Christology, and how to standardize religious calendars. More importantly, it was about Arianism, which had gained a wide following during those times. What most people today don’t understand, particularly those that buy into the erroneous beliefs being put out en mass today is that most of the Bishops that attended Nicea were feeble. Many of them had their fingers cut off, hands cut off, eyes plucked out, and worse, due to persecutions that were still taking place. Again, these are little known facts that can easily be verified.

    All of this tends to bring Dannion Brinkley to mind:

    Dannion Brinkley continues to spread his lies to every gullibe new age dupe willing to believe whatever he says including myriads of failed prophecies that he continues to put out to this day. I hardly need to mention his “honorable mention” in the book “Stolen Valor.” where he lied about his military service even claiming to be an “assassin” with official CIA cover. Brinkley responded to these accusations, like any snake oil salesman would, by not answering any of the facts brought against him, but telling everyone about all the good things he had done for others in his lifetime.

    Now here is the reality: people are outrageously lazy and suffer from profound animosity toward traditional forms. The erroneous “facts” spouted by the internet and media can never be trusted. In fact, most new age systems of thought including the pseudo-scientific health and wellness con jobs being promoted, exist only because of the ignorance and laziness of the common man and woman. The internet is not making people more free, it is making them stupid. That is the fact.

    To be honest, I can understand the need of people to seek out a utopia. I can understand why people feel cheated when they look out into the world to see only suffering. As my mother was dying I remember seeing her suffer and asking why this type of suffering was necessary. When I finally had time to contemplate the matter, like a lighting bolt in my mind came the words, “This is how people are created.”

    Like many other people I have also experienced suffering. Some of it has been very trying not to mention life-threatening. But when I look back to what I was at 15 years old and 30 years old and even now, I realize that without these hardships I never would have come to any degree of maturity. These trials, as ghastly as they are, forge us into greater beings. The catch is that we need to endure them gracefully without losing hope. The life of every individual must in some way embrace suffering. We really have no choice. While that may sound barbaric to many people today, our limitations exist to form us and educate us, we are bound to them for however long we are allowed to stay in this world. As John Keats once wrote this world is the “vale of soul-making” thus we are truly “made” or “created” here not at conception, but throughout the duration of our lives. But to deny the inevitable, which is exactly what suffering and death are, is to enter even further into the delusion of mass produced spiritual ideas which in the end make up the post mortem body. I would much rather have a body made of clarity than one made up of lie after damnable lie created by the weavers of inner spiritual catastrophe. This type of denial, fueled by complete fabrications as if I have shown, causes a person to misunderstand their own life in this world making their entrance into the next world far more painful than it has to be.

    I remember long ago sitting to watch the movie “Time Machine” (1960) with my Dad. I was very young then. In the movie the time traveller George goes far into the future where he comes across a group of people called “the eloi”. They are all young and indifferent. The sight of a young woman drowning does nothing to motivate them, whether she lives or dies means nothing. At one point George goes into a museum(?) only to find that their history books have turned to dust. I distinctly remember even at that age sharing this internal feeling of rage with George who viewed their culture as both easy and degenerate. I view modern culture through this same lens. We have in essence forgotten everything that was truly important and replaced it with with spiritual opium meant to make us feel good rather than to mature us or make us stronger.

    As much as it may pain people like Michael Tsarion, John Lash, and Jay Weidner,all who claim to be “Gnostics”, we are here to be forged in the fires and trials of life so that when the time comes we are able and worthy to behold the face of eternity without turning away in shame.

    • Thunderous applause my merciful friend. I need to reply with one section (even though all of it was very, very good) because I wish I had written it myself as it better expresses what I know to be true than I have been able to do above, and it’s not debatable, it’s incontrovertible.

      “Like many other people I have also experienced suffering. Some of it has been very trying not to mention life-threatening. But when I look back to what I was at 15 years old and 30 years old and even now, I realize that without these hardships I never would have come to any degree of maturity. These trials, as ghastly as they are, forge us into greater beings. The catch is that we need to endure them gracefully without losing hope. The life of every individual must in some way embrace suffering. We really have no choice. While that may sound barbaric to many people today, our limitations exist to form us and educate us, we are bound to them for however long we are allowed to stay in this world. As John Keats once wrote this world is the “vale of soul-making” thus we are truly “made” or “created” here not at conception, but throughout the duration of our lives. But to deny the inevitable, which is exactly what suffering and death are, is to enter even further into the delusion of mass produced spiritual ideas which in the end make up the post mortem body. I would much rather have a body made of clarity than one made up of lie after damnable lie created by the weavers of inner spiritual catastrophe. This type of denial, fueled by complete fabrications as if I have shown, causes a person to misunderstand their own life in this world making their entrance into the next world far more painful than it has to be…”

      Truth spoken without agenda trumps everything else.

  51. LOL MN, If you’re referring to ME as a follower of a guru or spiritual master who’s keeping that person updated that doesn’t apply here! ~good try though~ That also doesn’t apply to Shirl or Martijn either.

    Most insightful people who read this thread will be able to discern for themselves who’s what and where they’re coming from based on their own words.

    • Elizabeth,
      Most insightful , COHERENT people are able to distinguish between someone who knows what he is talking about and has the evidence and data to prove it and a guru who touting nonsense to promote a UFO religion.
      Please don’t miss your ride.

      Odd….. Chiappalone disabled comments on his YouTube. LMAO!

    • “LOL MN, If you’re referring to ME as a follower of a guru or spiritual master”

      …if the shoe fits…?

      “Most insightful people who read this thread will be able to discern for themselves who’s what and where they’re coming from based on their own words.”

      True words and a good yardstick too if you ask me.

      You know, you seemed to be well read, fair, up for a debate and someone who really wanted to know what was going on.

      Seemed.

    • ‘Most insightful people who read this thread will be able to discern for themselves who’s what and where they’re coming from based on their own words.’

      Insightful people??? BS Manipulation right off the top. People have preconceived ideas, concepts, and prejudices based on words and the meanings of said words. A perfect example of this is my husband who had what some would term an nde. Amazing the doctors that he came out of it all with stitches and a slight concussion. At first he told people about it. Every person who heard had their own interpretation or unbelief of it. None of which identified the whole of what he experienced. Even within the nde community he found a black & white diversity. Both sides tending to draw him into a type of collective ideal. Did he have ‘insight’ to the ‘otherside’??? He certainly could have used this, along with medical data, to take some platform to expound that he did. He came to understand that what he experienced had zero ‘insightful’ message for anyone else, but himself. It was about him, for him, period. He could have taken the ‘quick fix’ path with all this and adopted an agenda. But, instead, he realized that he, in actuality, understood very little of what happened to him. Over many years, he’s gained some core strengths, For Himself, attached to ‘this experience’, yet, fully knowing he is far from any ‘arrival’ of insight. Ever since that happened to him, every lower astral entity, in all their forms, have attempted to keep him from gaining his personal insight.

      As for Dr. Chiappalone? I learned years ago that having the label of Dr. applied to one’s name doesn’t necessarily mean much at all. I am uneducated, and handicapped with dyslexia. Yet when a team of Doctors could not figure out what was destroying my child, I somehow came up with the diagnosis and treatment. I was rather motivated. It’s very simple, when Dr. Chiappalone applies his very basic medical skills to interpret ‘starvation'; uses his ‘influence’ to gather people to actually give shit that there are children literally starving to death in this world I might have respect for him.

  52. Martiijn said “I think my contributions on this blog have shown that I do my best to see through everything that is false and evil, and that I don’t take anything for granted.
    I want to do something about it myself, which I think also shows in my contributions on this blog, for example.

    I’m not waiting for a rescue. I don’t think that I’ve stated anything here that could indicate this either”

    I agree and thank you.

    • Another thing I believe (correct me if I am wrong) is that Martijin said something surrounding the idea that their are pieces of truth that every dugpa must use. That has not left me since I read it in one of the back posts. Very simple, yet powerful statement. Martijin, if it was you, I thank you, for stating it.

  53. Dr. Chiappolone is a practicing medical doctor and has been for decades. It’s not the same as a mail order PhD or something like that. His scholarly material pulls together and contrasts varied scholarly sources. Read it carefully before you make yourselves look even more foolish.

    Also I love the words he writes and his readings because they make more sense to me in the many decades of reading diverse metaphysical material than anything. I bet you won’t find anyone who reads his stuff that’s ‘just waiting around for a rescue’ because it gets boring number one and because that’s not what he’s telling anyone to do number two. He tells everyone to eat and drink as purely as possible, lay off the substances etc. because he is a pysician and because adding more pollution to your body makes you weak. Plus its good common sense. His material is good common sense and it’s also very obvious too. He’s telling people to become as strong as they can in order to be of help to themselves, family and others.

    This is not a Doomsday message but one which is trying to minimize suffering due to an inevitable event to zip up the ERROR itself. For those who still think we can keep this Earthly GAME going…what is it that you propose to do exactly? You can be sure that I and many others have probably already tried – along with countless others to work politically locally and federally, activism, working on oneself, playing the game…whatever? Conditions continue to deteriorate. Evidently, they’re supposed to deteriorate because the error is being dealt with by something OUTSIDE OF this errant, deviant, ‘world-gone-mad’ reality which so many of you are making excuses for? WHY IS IT THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DEFEND THIS WORLD? It’s your religious conditioning most likely telling you that.

    Let’s state the obvious although it will fly over the heads of this group evidently…THE DEFAULT OF THIS UNHOLY VIRTUAL REALITY GAME WE’RE TRAPPED IN IS DECAY and SUFFERING. It’s a game of heading problems off at the pass – putting toothpaste in a sinking dingy filled with holes – and in the wild ‘beautiful’ nature program its the bigger predator eats the littler predator eats the grazer. It’s cruel in the extreme.

    Good for you (STS) if you have a nice peaceful life for awhile…guaranteed it will still be marred throughout with an unending stream of problems. That’s a good life too. Try telling that to babies born into starvation and disease or 75% of the worlds’ population struggling with hunger and survival…the ones who can’t type out a blog post to say to you that they are innocent and don’t deserve these conditions…SO SUFFERING = FORGING ONESELF IN THE FIRE so we don’t feel shame in the company of the Godhead??? …sounds like a devil of a creator-gOd who’d set up conditions like that. There IS NO pointless improving. Improving into what exactly? No one’s out of the starting block even with anything like fair conditions. Minorities get the crappier treatment…women get worse than men…handicapped worse than other….you know the drill.

    Either you are of a certain ESSENCE or you are NOT! There IS NO improving to become worthy. That’s why Religions are so dangerous and erroneous. THEY WERE DESIGNED TO be the big red herring…to keep everyone off the scent of evil to blame themselves instead of to look at the actual prison itself.

    Drop the delusional speculations without reading the material properly.

    • You are standing on the beach, shouting at the waves, and expecting the ocean to reply.

      There is very little point in replying to you at all except that you consistently show yourself; the anger, the vitriol, the ignorant and arrogant dismissal of ideas other than your own, the insults…

      Like the rest of them you avoid all questions and continue to shout at, and insult anyone who would dare question anything you say. You don’t answer and won’t answer because you can’t. You can only continue to shout… above yourself and anyone who dares question you.

      You have it all wrapped up don’t you? All of us in a neat little package that is easy to digest? All the little babies and the grown people; either have it or not? Makes it easy, doesn’t it? At that point it’s all neat and tidy and no bother, nothing to do but sit and wait for this mess to be cleared up…

      Coward. You have no idea what the eyes of a child in need actually looks like or else you would not dismiss them as chattel.

      “WHY IS IT THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DEFEND THIS WORLD? It’s your religious conditioning most likely telling you that.”

      That just speaks for itself; gratuitous insult to somehow show how enlightened you are.

      “You can be sure that I and many others have probably already tried – along with countless others to work politically locally and federally, activism, working on oneself, playing the game…whatever?”

      Do, or do not, there is no try.

    • Elizabeth , you said “WHY IS IT THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DEFEND THIS WORLD?”

      Which world are we talking about here?

      I don’t know if anyone who posts here is on a path of self improvement to be honest, I’m not. I don’t feel or think that I have to improve myself to become worthy of anything. Especially about getting on Dr Chiappalones list of viables.

      I also don’t know where you are getting ideas about all the religious aspect stuff. If it is good enough for Dr Chiappalone to use what would be deemed religious as a reference to certain things, why cant others?

      You post here with what you have to say, I don’t censor you or take this piss.

      What makes you so sure that what Dr Chiappalone says is worth putting ones “life essence” on it?

      • “I don’t feel or think that I have to improve myself to become worthy of anything”

        Exactly! The only semblance of ‘improvement’, if one desires to call it that, would be disengaging, and recovering from any form of control that has taken a hold over one’s life.

    • “why is it you feel the need to defend this world? It’s your religious conditioning most likely telling you that.”

      I’d love to read the response to your entire statement after you posted this (your view of this world) on an Atheist forum.

      • ” I’d love to read the response to your entire statement after you posted this (your view of this world) on an Atheist forum.”

        LOL.

        The letters DR in front of a name don’t equate to a person’s knowing their inner nous or whatever term might be used to convey inner knowing. I don’t know what kind of practitioner Dr Chiappalone is, whether he is a quack or not in that regard. I do know that if a person has reached their inner nous/inner knowing or whatever, the desire to look outside for answers and explanations diminishes..to the pojnt of not having to…thats the point…inner knowing…..sure ideas an explanations are bounced around like playing ball somewhat, and there is comradery and all that,
        But when a ball gets kicked into this playground because it was kicked here,whatever the intention, don’t think that ball wont get kicked around a bit by other kids on the playground to then go on to cry foul.

      • “I’d love to read the response to your entire statement after you posted this (your view of this world) on an Atheist forum.”

        I’d love to read any direct response at all from the Gnostic Party.

        ““why is it you feel the need to defend this world?”…

        Louis Armstrong, when asked “What is Jazz?” said, “If you have to ask, you’ll never know”.

        Some people just don’t get it, can’t wrap their heads around this life, I guess. Too bad, there’s just as much good in people as there is bad, I think it comes down to what you focus on…hmm.

        He also said “Some of you young folks been saying to me, “Hey Pops, what you mean ‘What a wonderful world’? How about all them wars all over the place? You call them wonderful? And how about hunger and pollution? That aint so wonderful either.” Well how about listening to old Pops for a minute. Seems to me, it aint the world that’s so bad but what we’re doin’ to it. And all I’m saying is, see, what a wonderful world it would be if only we’d give it a chance. Love baby, love. That’s the secret, yeah. If lots more of us loved each other, we’d solve lots more problems. And then this world would be better. That’s wha’ ol’ Pops keeps saying.

        Guess it was just his programming according to some, I wouldn’t know, I always understood jazz…. and old Pops.

      • Warren, I tossed around whether to respond to you. You just had to bring up Mr. Louis Armstrong, didn’t you?! I ask ya all to bear with me here, I’m not eloquent with words.

        I will never be able to hear Louis singing out his ‘What A Wonderful World’ without thinking of a child’s battle of a lifetime. She’s now a young adult, who from her earliest memories was haunted by ‘ghosts’ (6th Sense scenario). Everyone had an opinion, and an answer. From generational curses, to it being a ‘gift’, to schizophrenia. All this leading only to dead ends, condemnation on her parents, and a much larger nightmare. Her parents (friends of ours) came very close to agreeing to antipsychotic meds, stopped short by recognizing that their child was perfectly normal in all other aspects. Her battle, and overcoming, began the day she heard Mr. Armstrong singing about all he ‘sees’ in this world. Telling no one, this brave little girl began her own battle strategy. (note: no one connected why this child was so enamored by this particular song) She reasoned, in her young mind, that ‘the dead’, in their gore, wasn’t in her face 24/7. She fought to replace the growing worry and anxiety, that had taken over her ‘free’ hours, with all that Louis saw, and more. Whenever ‘death’ got in her face (daily) she’d close her eyes and gathered her arsenal in her mind. It was one hell of a battle…until ‘death’ gave up. The ‘6th Sense’ is ‘there’. She could open that doorway at any given moment. The difference being, she is not haunted by it, nor does she worry about it. Every once in a blue moon she encounters ‘a stranger’ and quickly realizes it isn’t flesh and blood. Her reaction is to laugh it off now. She doesn’t engage in ‘why ?’. To her it is simply the antithesis of one born blind. She has quite a few peers still allowing this to haunt them, or it literally swallowed their life. Seems to be a growing phenom with the very young. I certainly never encountered any supernatural, in any way, as a kid. As far as it being a ‘gift’ and needs to be understood…she has zero desire to be haunted, nor was she born to be a servant to ‘the dead’. This young woman managed to carry over this experience into dealing with ‘flesh & blood’. She has the healthiest set of boundaries I’ve ever encountered in the young, or old, for that matter. She does not live in a ‘fluffy world’ either. She’s balanced and solid. Compassionate and yet, no one’s fool. She embraces this material life wholly. The last time I saw her was at a small ‘work party’ at her Mom’s house. She asked us all if we would mind music while we worked…she had quite a collection playing that day from every genre, I could never remember them all. But I remember Louis, with his beautiful gravelly voice, and her quietly singing along. I’d say she ‘gets’ jazz. We’ll leave it with, I just had to bring it up.

  54. Martijn, I couldn’t reply to you above, so I am replying here. I hope you find this. And please understand, I’m not picking on you, I’m just answering your comments honestly as I see it. Take it or leave it, I appreciate what you have to say and hope the reply makes sense.

    ” Martijn
    January 11, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Warren, a construct is a neutral term, I think. It is not good, it is not bad, it just is.
    My own house is a construct. My house is part of a construct also, for example the area and the city it is part of, and so on… this planet, this solar system …
    ‘Construct’ is just a matter of semantics to me. World/dimension/place/construct …

    I would respectfully disagree that the term “construct”, when referring to certain things, carries a less than neutral implication as described by the following definition:

    con•struct
    /kənˈstrəkt/
    Noun:
    An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence.

    That is not the same as your house because you understand the “construct” of the 2×4’s to the point where you do not doubt their existence. The New Age/ Gnostic promotion of “construct” is turning physical into “metaphysical” in a nonsensical way. I am focusing on the semantics because it is “that” that they expect you to dismiss as just careless word play when it is, in fact, not careless at all. It is exactly the semantics that are important here:

    Definition of Semantics:
    “The branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.”

    If one isn’t willing to understand and argue the “semantics” then one will be prey to those who would use words (that do very much carry meaning and context no matter how much you attempt to overlook it) as a weapon. That is what NLP is, at its core. It is folly to ignore it.

    “I’m sorry, Warren, but I am just trying to neutrally look at this. From my own perspective, ideas and experiences, that I basically already had before I could read one single word. You want to dismiss those??”

    First, I’m not dismissing anything. Challenge and Dismiss are very different words with very different meanings… I also find no merit to neutrality; there is almost always a right and wrong and intent is very important. Duality is believing that they are somehow intertwined in an inescapable way. You don’t HAVE to choose, but NOT choosing is a choice in and of itself. That is the nature and the right of free will. You can choose or not, but free will has responsibilities as well. There are consequences to your actions, thoughts, etc. good and bad, and all depending on the choices you make.

    “You create the image as if I get my ideas and suppositions I articulated above from people like Chiappalone, and that is NOT correct, my friend.
    I at most commented on certain ideas articulated by others, for example Chiappalone. I did that from my OWN perspective, ideas and experiences, that I use as a basis.”

    I am sorry if I came across that way but honestly, I don’t care where you get your ideas from as long as they are yours and you know what they entail.

    “I don’t pretend to know what the absolute truth is, but I don’t want to fool myself and look away from things that may be not so pleasant.”

    You also don’t want to fool yourself and look away from the things that might be pleasant. Truth is seeing things exactly how they are, good or bad. Dealing with it is what you speak of, and you can’t deal with it honestly if you presuppose that it is terrible. You have not experienced every person’s life so it is ridiculous to say, on one hand, that you don’t profess to know the absolute truth and then, on the other hand, try and have me agree with the supposition that our “society” has been created as a certain prison.

    “You probably agree with me that, let’s say, our society has been created as a certain prison. Well, extrapolate that to the possibility that this construct/world/dimension in itself is a certain prison also. I don’t see a big difference actually, between these 2 quantities.”

    Well, as I have said before, I don’t agree and have been offered very little basis from anyone to back this assumption up. I have asked and not been supplied with anything except a Dr. Chia-something video which I will say is less than believable. Actually I find it sad.

    “I think my contributions on this blog have shown that I do my best to see through everything that is false and evil, and that I don’t take anything for granted.
    I want to do something about it myself, which I think also shows in my contributions on this blog, for example.”

    I always enjoy your comments and wish you well. If you always do it for yourself you never have to be worried about being duped by anyone else.

  55. It makes hardly any sense to me, Warren, to be honest.

    First of all, you are blatantly twisting my words on several occasions and you lead the attention away from the matter on several occasions, again.
    You have no substantive to the point argumentation here in this latest discussion, and also don’t seem to even try to imagine yourself in why I, or others, resonate with certain concepts; e.g. in the trains of thought that lead to a certain idea.
    I’d say, show some understanding and subtlety for a change, instead of rigidly ‘challenging’, as I guess you like to call it, certain matters.
    I’m really amazed how you are able to do all this and actually gobsmacked by the way you react to certain concepts, for example expressed by Elizabeth and myself.
    This discussion is not going to lead anywhere, I’m afraid.

    This is also sectarian to me. This is Utopia, quite similar to for example David Icke’s Utopia. It’s Narrow and egotistical in a certain way.
    I don’t think this tenor is going to lead anywhere. It is narrow, rigid, not subtle.
    I really feel and think that your way of thinking may very well be part of the problem.

    I think I must conclude that you make use of double-crossing, repeatedly. Almost as if you are defending something at all costs. I don’t know if you are aware of that, so I must leave that in the middle.
    I don’t think this will create better circumstances, ever.

      • Sorry about that, honestly. To you and Martijn. Its just that the details matter to me. I was raised understanding that “the devil’s in the details”
        From Wikipedia: The idiom “the devil is in the detail” refers to a catch or mysterious element hidden in the details.
        From WISEGEEK: “Some people also say that the devil’s in the details when they examine a contract or agreement. Generally, the agreement looks reasonable at first glance, but a closer examination of the terms and small print reveals a problem. People who routinely sign such agreements usually learn to look them over very carefully, looking for the snag or issue which might ultimately make the deal untenable.”
        Looking out for the small details in life is generally a good practice, since it greatly reduces the risk of surprise. While some surprises are pleasant, those planned by the devil are generally not, so it pays to avoid pitfalls which are preventable by remembering that the devil’s in the details. This behavior is also often rewarded by the world in general, as you will gain a reputation for being careful and thoughtful as well as difficult to fool.
        I have seen, as have both of you, too many people taken advantage of because they didn’t read the small print, or weren’t even aware that there was fine print to read. And I don’t mean literally, I mean figuratively; let me give you an example to clarify what I mean:
        Most people who sign up for anything that has to do with the Swerdlows, the Ickes, the Jones’s, etc. take for face value that what they promote with their website’s, lectures, books, and videos is true; that they mean it. They don’t realize that what they are promoting is actually something VERY different.
        I was one of these people; a little gullible, too trusting, wanting for REAL knowledge (because I didn’t know that I had most of what I needed already). But over time learned the beast I was dealing with; this beast has a particular scent, a scent that is carried by many other beasts like it, and once you spot it, it’s generally very easy to recognize, but only if you’re paying attention to the details. This beast has an agenda, it’s against mankind (me and you), and it is very good at getting its prey to ignore the finer points (teeth) of its true nature. Because if you knew it as soon as you saw it, you would run away screaming long before it would have a chance to sink those points in. But if it can lull you to sleep, a little at a time, before you know it…
        Martijn, that’s my substantive point to the argument here. I did not try to twist your words, I was making the point that words are very specific, carry implication and like it or not, can be used against us in very, very diabolical ways.
        You mistake my passion for defending life and what I believe in as some sort of sectarian rigidity, it is not. Let me give you an example:

        I started reading Expansion’s website, some of the books, even had a consultation. I bought the vitamins, tried the exercises, quoted the mantra’s; I nearly bought it. But in the back of my mind, way in the back, something kept gnawing at me that there was trouble in Denmark, something was fishy. I pushed that back and went on for a time until that gnawing finally got to the point that it just wouldn’t be ignored. It was then that I decided to do my OWN looking into what Sweardlow really was about.
        It was then that that gnawing went away. The more I read, the more I compiled, the more I realized the salesman behind the snake oil, the more I realized what I was dealing with. Someone who is in the age old industry of convincing you that what you need is outside yourself. No one can sell you something that you already have. But if you already have what they are selling, they just convince you that you don’t, or that their brand is better. Same thing really.
        Back to my point… so once I realized that, I was done. I did not rigidly stick to the ideas that I had previously seen to be true, I saw them as what they were and dispensed with them. I changed my mind, my choice, learned from the experience and moved on. Better off with the knowledge I had gained.
        You WERE right that I come off as “if you are defending something at all costs”. I am. I believe that these people are working to take that which is most important away from us; our happiness, joy and love that we gain from our diligence in working toward exactly that. I know that place exists; it isn’t a utopia because it is balanced with hard work, pain, sometimes suffering that is necessary to make it happen. That isn’t the design of an evil god, it’s simple logic; if you haven’t had to work for it you would have no idea of what you have gained or why.
        I will defend that, and YOUR right to it as well, with every fiber of my being, forever.
        Warren.

      • Warren “tried the exercises” Expansions.

        So did I, and I KNOW that lower astral entities, or demonic, attached to me. Not saying this happens to everyone. It did happen to me. At first I was ok, then every thing that use to pleasure me in life was deadpan. Even food wasn’t enjoyable. I was about to make a doctor appt. when it hit me. Those damned ‘protection/chakra’ exercises. Found this blog. The rest is history. I’m still having to work at slowly reclaiming my joy in life back. It’s returning.

        On a lighter note. I dropped the Expansions when I caught wind of Swerdlows ‘color schemes’. What colors one wears, or surrounds themselves with can mean negative/positive. I thought, shit, I’m going to have to f***ing revamp my home interior, and wardrobe, according to this control freak???

  56. Curiously and coincidentally ? Mike Heiser ‘s Paleobabble site was hacked 4 days ago.

    HMMM……

    This site is the antidote to the twaddle of the likes of Chiappalone,John Lamb Lash, DaVinci Code nonsense, Zeitgeist etc.

    Man the timing of that! All of his other sites are up and he’s never been hacked before.

    Hmmm…

      • “That’s what it looks like. Go Figure.”

        Although I’m sure Michael Heiser has developed enemies before this past week, I agree with you Mercy…the timing is rather eye-opening. I’d never heard of Michael Heiser before you posted the links.

      • if anybody wants a good laugh tonight on Kerry cassidys show on American freedom radio shes got former white hat mike hemingson on just thought id give a heads up to this theatrical podcast lol

  57. Truself, ran out of reply space, this is in response to your last above…

    “So did I, and I KNOW that lower astral entities, or demonic, attached to me. Not saying this happens to everyone. It did happen to me. At first I was ok, then every thing that use to pleasure me in life was deadpan. Even food wasn’t enjoyable.”

    See here: http://dugpasandtheirrole.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/here-are-a-coup/

    “The rest is history. I’m still having to work at slowly reclaiming my joy in life back. It’s returning.”

    Enjoy…

    • Thanks for Marley :) and the Wailers! I’m still burning off the last vestiges’ of self directed pissosity…never again. Lesson learned.

  58. IMO This thread was deliberately hijacked with the backing and guidance of a Swerdlow supporter.Maugans is connected to that satanic clown group .

    This Swerdlow supporter that I reference makes it her job to disrupt and attempt to take down any place that throws light on Swerdlow or those in the same group.

  59. Well….the wonderful thing about that is it validates the info on this blog even more. If people want to continue to be led and live vicariously through some NWR dugpa priest because they can’t think critically thats their lot, not mine. If people Want to listen and believe what Swerdlow or Icke Chiappalone for example have to say… Be my guest. If anything what are they worried about, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

    ….Pick your Daddy..

    (If you pick all of em you might end up confused as they all have varying versions of what they think is truth).

  60. I have some questions, actually. Mainly for you, Purple Pebble.

    Why did Anya Briggs ‘channel’ the sentence: ‘Purple Pebble is Unit Awake’.. ?
    Why was Purple Pebble involved in a strange fight with Hemmingson/FWH last year …?
    Purple Pebble starts a blog in following of others, and also more or less around the same time like others did …others like FWH/Hemmingson, Anya Briggs, Sarah Stanga, O’Finioan, Khris Clandestine Rage, Eva Moore etcetera … Is that a coincidence?
    Also looking at all these cross references that exist regarding various blogs and characters … let’s connect some dots here, I’d say …
    The obsession on this blog with Stewart Swerdlow, David Icke,..
    This looks like sort of a round dance to me; rabbit holes, obscure agenda’s, fights. Is this blog part of all that as well? Purple Pebble seems to me the avenger and so-called ‘Unit Wake’ role in this whole.
    So, what is going on here. Is the character ‘Purple Pebble’, knowingly or unknowingly, also a part/unit of that same ‘satanic clown group’?
    I personally tend to think so, actually.

    You are probably not able to see yourselves that what you are doing is just not the way to go.
    Some others ARE able to see that.
    It’s not about someone like Chiappalone either, like you apparently seem to think in your narrow and programmed minds.
    Demonic energies emanate from this blog as well. The energy that is provided here is thick, putrid, unforgiving, witch-hunty, libelous, slanderous, relentless and sucks you in.
    There is not much subtlety here, at all. This blog and its tenor is not solution directed, but rather avenger directed.

    I don’t perceive much viability here anymore. Quite the opposite. I think it is sad.
    Pick your daddy …folks. I’m out of here… out of this dark rabbit hole that leads to nowhere.

      • this is an excerpt from the article MN posted.

        “To comprehend this well-financed, sinister operation, we must abandon the myth that this was a religious commune and study instead the history that led to its formation. Jonestown was an experiment, part of a 30-year program called MK-ULTRA, the CIA and military intelligence code name for mind control.] A close study of Senator Ervin’s 1974 report, Individual Rights and the Government’s Role in Behavior Modification, shows that these agencies had certain “target populations” in mind, for both individual and mass control. Blacks, women, prisoners, the elderly, the young, and inmates of psychiatric wards were selected as “potentially violent. There were plans in California at the time for a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence, expanding on the horrific work of Dr. José Delgado, Drs. Mark and Ervin, and Dr. Jolly West, experts in implantation, psychosurgery, and tranquilizers. The guinea pigs were to be drawn from the ranks of the “target populations,” and taken to an isolated military missile base in California. In that same period, Jones began to move his Temple members to Jonestown. The were the exact population selected for such tests”

    • Martijn, here is my response per point.

      1. Ask Anya Briggs why that was channeled. I have no idea,I am not a channeler.
      2. You can go to Former White Hat site and find out, and the link to the cafe is there. I have stated here also
      (which I said was a case of mistaken identity which is the truth)
      3. I started this blog when the cafe was down for a while, and why not have a blog? Why does anyone have a blog or start one? Its not a crime. Yet.

      4. I am not obsessed, I observe things and write about them in my own way. Subtlety has nothing to do with it, subtlety now equals and is the yardstick of truth?

      5.The whole tenor of this blog has been talked about before, Yet you seem to think it is my responsibility to have all these solutions for what? What do you want me to do? To say? Rise like lions don’t riot, visualize this or that? Breathe this way that way? Wait for the aliens to get here? Eat this don’t eat that? All of the above? Is that the solution?

      6. You said …unforgiving, witch-hunty, libelous, slanderous, demonic etc..

      Yeah, I guess it could be seen that way. I would also have said that myself at one point. Lived it breathed it.

      7.Thick and Putrid.

      What do you expect? Rainbows unicorns and lollypops? Cos everybody else is talking about that.

      Thank you for your contributions Martijn.

      Edited to add..FTR This blog is nothing different from what was posted at the Icke forum a couple of years ago.
      So nothing new from me really. It isnt like I have just pulled it out of my arse.

      http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143538&page=5

      .

    • “You are probably not able to see yourselves that what you are doing is just not the way to go.
      Some others ARE able to see that.
      It’s not about someone like Chiappalone either, like you apparently seem to think in your narrow and programmed minds.”

      2 Timothy 4:3
      “For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,”

      “I don’t perceive much viability here anymore. Quite the opposite. I think it is sad.
      Pick your daddy …folks. I’m out of here… out of this dark rabbit hole that leads to nowhere.”

      Your perception of viability, eh?

      I don’t see any rabbit holes here, actually, quite the opposite.

      I just think you like your rabbit holes more than you would like to admit.

    • As if you are in a position to discern what is viable and what isn’t. You never ever fooled me . You are a gatekeeper/shill for the darkside.

  61. lol Fail..

    Your implications and accusations are simply a desperate attempt to neutralize the truth that is being exposed here. It won’t work.

    Just as those frauds you mentioned attempted to implicate Purple Pebble in their “channeling’ and outright lies you attempt to muddy the waters by putting the seed in the mind of an unsuspecting reader that Purple Pebble is somehow in league with them.

    You, in fact are using programming metthods sounding very much like the sub programmer/handler herself who was urged people to sabotage and poison this blog .

    • Out of nowhere, Martijn comes to a conclusion, contrary to what he has written in the past,even up until posting the video from Freedom Central Radio. (who also have no solutions as far as I can tell)

      All someone has to do is look back at this thread and see where people started to get angry.

      “You are probably not able to see yourselves that what you are doing is just not the way to go.
      Some others ARE able to see that”

      …Well that’s kind of what I am saying here myself , … and I would also say some others are able to see that what i am talking about here might not be the solution or the way to go either… (I am not the one looking to start camps or fill a stadium or end the world or whatever ) …and I am not the only one who understands that kind f stuff is not the way to go either.

      “It’s not about someone like Chiappalone either, like you apparently seem to think in your narrow and programmed minds”

      All I can say to that is then don’t suggest someone who supposedly has all the answers,( that I might need to listen to and believe as on the off chance they have the absolute truth), then get fucked off if I or anyone else doesn’t agree.

      I don’t think that “flashing” this blog alone will help any either. Flash a few other blogs or whatever……you know the ones, the other blogs that have by all accounts slandered and libeled professed victims of certain projects …spread the love.

  62. MN said
    “You, in fact are using programming methods sounding very much like the sub programmer/handler herself who was urged people to sabotage and poison this blog” .

    Sub programmers/handlers….whose your Mummy?

    http://dugpasandtheirrole.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/monarch-haiku/

    http://dugpasandtheirrole.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/sad-old-lady-haiku/

    Advice ….Look intently into the pupil of the eye of these people. Therein you will find an evasive shadow, and they cannot long endure your gaze. These are hidden dugpas. Often they are more dangerous than their more obvious colleagues.

    http://agniyoga.helloyou.ch/du/aydugpas.html

  63. I am a former blogger.

    About 6 months after I began posting my discoveries regarding various Alt Media hucksters and lotharios, someone opened an anonymous WordPress blog. The sole purpose of that blog was to out my real name and where I reside. Over and over again.

    The author of that blog could not be identified, and believe me, I did everything I could to discover who the culprit was.

    During the same timeline I was threatened, via comments to my blog, as was my family.

    Mission Accomplished. I stopped blogging.

    Through my own research into the matter, I have good reason to believe that the anonymous blogger in question is Michael Hemmingson. His MO is all over it, including a comment posted on that blog referencing “Louis”. (Louis Khan Nin, AKA Michael Hemmingson AKA Former White Hat AKA The Idylwild Group of Ninnies and Ne’er do wells.)

    I was in communication with Duncan O just before he went off-line earlier this year, as well as Khris Neal, whom I last talked to on January 10th, one month prior to his untimely demise.

    While I don’t pretend to know who Michael Hemmingson really is, I suspect he’s one of 2 things: either a very silly or a very dangerous dude. (He could well be both.)

    I also believe he is a true sicko and psychopath who greatly enjoys destroying private citizen’s lives, libelling people, frightening people, and seems to have connections to evil men such as Michael Aquino.

  64. The whole Truth / Love and Light movement is just the new version of fake TV Evangelists and is all about money. What they are peddling is not necessarily religion but the manipulation and psychology behind it is the same. One thing they ALL have in common is the way they react to being questioned – like school bullies. Honestly its embarrassing how abusive these “Truth / Love and Light” people become whenever somebody dares to question them or point out an inconsistency. It’s completely over the top and disproportionate. Hucksters one and all.

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